Reggie Wayne was a bigger goat in that game then Peyton

[JofreyRice]

and I understand McNabb supporters using Peyton's performance to show anyone can choke at any time. I was surprised to see Brees play well and Peyton play his worst football at the end. I thought Brees was more of a choker. Lot of talent on that Saints team--very underrated corners in Greer and Porter, and they look poised to have Malcolm Jenkins replace Sharper when they're ready.

If they are the team to beat in the NFC now, I think the way you do it is by running over them. Addai was gashing them for a lot of yards, and Gregg Williams seemed to be picking his poison pretty clearly in preventing the big play through the air. Can McCoy chew up 120 yards on 25-30 carries? Maybe, but I don't see him getting the chance with FF at the helm.

[Snakebitten]

Reggie Wayne's injury has to be more serious than it was reported. He hasn't been the same player for most of the second part of the regular season.

This team needs to get McCoy a Kardashian.

[W. Coast Mac Backer]

Originally Posted by Snakebitten

Reggie Wayne's injury has to be more serious than it was reported. He hasn't been the same player for most of the second part of the regular season.

This team needs to get McCoy a Kardashian.

My main man L.O. (Lamar Odom) gots him one. (Khloe?...the youngest & tallest one)

[Dolomite]

yeah she's that fat one.

[W. Coast Mac Backer]

Originally Posted by Dolomite

yeah she's that fat one.

I saw them in an interview together recently.

They're made for each other.

[J_Cuz31]

Originally Posted by JofreyRice

and I understand McNabb supporters using Peyton's performance to show anyone can choke at any time. I was surprised to see Brees play well and Peyton play his worst football at the end. I thought Brees was more of a choker. Lot of talent on that Saints team--very underrated corners in Greer and Porter, and they look poised to have Malcolm Jenkins replace Sharper when they're ready.

If they are the team to beat in the NFC now, I think the way you do it is by running over them. Addai was gashing them for a lot of yards, and Gregg Williams seemed to be picking his poison pretty clearly in preventing the big play through the air. Can McCoy chew up 120 yards on 25-30 carries? Maybe, but I don't see him getting the chance with FF at the helm.

I think you can beat them through the air provided the officials don't let their d backs hold all game like they did in the '10 postseason.

However, you still need to stop THEIR passing attack and the Eagles are nowhere close to doing that.

[RSE]

Hey, Kobe Krusher? How can Odom be your main man?

[W. Coast Mac Backer]

Originally Posted by RSE

Hey, Kobe Krusher? How can Odom be your main man?

Love ALL my Lake Show ..... except Sasha V.

PLEASE take him Sixers!

[RSE]

Odom is a New York City kid. The stench of LA will never stick to him.

[harls]

Originally Posted by JofreyRice

and I understand McNabb supporters using Peyton's performance to show anyone can choke at any time. I was surprised to see Brees play well and Peyton play his worst football at the end. I thought Brees was more of a choker. Lot of talent on that Saints team--very underrated corners in Greer and Porter, and they look poised to have Malcolm Jenkins replace Sharper when they're ready.

If they are the team to beat in the NFC now, I think the way you do it is by running over them. Addai was gashing them for a lot of yards, and Gregg Williams seemed to be picking his poison pretty clearly in preventing the big play through the air. Can McCoy chew up 120 yards on 25-30 carries? Maybe, but I don't see him getting the chance with FF at the helm.

I think the bigger thing is you are allowed to pin blame on Reggie Wayne but yet thrash stinkston fredex and the other guy mcnabb had can't be blamed it was all on mcnabb.

[JofreyRice]

Originally Posted by harls

I think the bigger thing is you are allowed to pin blame on Reggie Wayne but yet thrash stinkston fredex and the other guy mcnabb had can't be blamed it was all on mcnabb.

what are you talking about? Everyone knows he had garbage to work with in 2001, 2002, 2003, and even 2005, 2006. No one says tries to say they were any good--however, in 2004, 2008 and 2009, he did have viable receivers to work with, yet got the same result in those other years; that leads a lot of people to the common denominator: 5.

[TerpEagle]

Originally Posted by harls

I think the bigger thing is you are allowed to pin blame on Reggie Wayne but yet thrash stinkston fredex and the other guy mcnabb had can't be blamed it was all on mcnabb.

They did get blame. Do you remember 2003?

But of course that was only the third NFCCG attempt. Opinions of who is most to blame or most necessary to replace change over time when results don't improve.

[harls]

Yes I remember all those years and in those years if McNabb had some weapons at the time he very well could have won it all... But they didn't. McNabb isnt what he was in the early 2000s he doesnt have the abilities he once did anymore.

This just irked me as some of the Haters here discredit what he did with nothing. Now that he hit the wall they gave him talent on O and people say see he never had it.

[JofreyRice]

realistically, I think there was a point where if Donovan was surrounded with the right talent at WR, he might have gotten it done. Armchair psychologist here, but I think something went wrong in McNabb's head after the 2nd or 3rd Championship game loss, and Reid never acknowledged/addressed it. I don't think his propensity to choke had to be a fatal flaw, but when he's paired with a coach that doesn't recognize/adjust/attempt to correct it, they're going to come up snake eyes every time together.

I don't see FF doing anything differently in the way he manages McNabb, and I don't see any different result, when we had the chance to win it with big time talent at QB, we didn't have the WR talent to get it done. I don't want the reverse to be true for this generation of Eagles--which is not saying kl00b is better; he's an unknown, and I'm ready for the unknown at this point.

[harls]

Originally Posted by JofreyRice

realistically, I think there was a point where if Donovan was surrounded with the right talent at WR, he might have gotten it done. Armchair psychologist here, but I think something went wrong in McNabb's head after the 2nd or 3rd Championship game loss, and Reid never acknowledged/addressed it. I don't think his propensity to choke had to be a fatal flaw, but when he's paired with a coach that doesn't recognize/adjust/attempt to correct it, they're going to come up snake eyes every time together.

I don't see FF doing anything differently in the way he manages McNabb, and I don't see any different result, when we had the chance to win it with big time talent at QB, we didn't have the WR talent to get it done. I don't want the reverse to be true for this generation of Eagles--which is not saying kl00b is better; he's an unknown, and I'm ready for the unknown at this point.

I agree with this whole heartedly. I dont think Klob will be good enough. I am just worried he will be JUST good enough for FF to keep thinking another year and he will have it. I dont want to see Klob stick around the way the Reno Mahe's have in the past.

[Big Little]

Philadelphia's wide receivers caught only five touchdown passes - tying the record for fewest in a season since the regular-season schedule was lengthened to its present 16 games in 1978 and that, by going the entire months of September and October without having a wide receiver catch a touchdown pass, the 2003 Eagles became the first NFL team since 1945 not to have gotten a touchdown pass from any of its wide receivers in the first two months of a season.

[Big Little]

I think 5 should be judge on those 3 years, 04, 08, and 09.

And I think that it is not just him that is the common denominator, it is also the defense. This is not a Championship caliber defense, and until it is it won't really matter who the QB is, unless it is Manning.

With that said, I am ready for Kolb because I know FF won't change anything during the off season, and McNabb is not going to improve his accuracy either. We have talent, a lot, on offense now, we need to figure out the QB situation and quick!

[Big Little]

I love the argument that weapons don't matter:

2004
McNabb finally amassed the kind of numbers that placed him firmly as one of the elite NFL quarterbacks statistically. He averaged 8.26 yards per attempt, completed 64.0 percent of his passes, threw 31 touchdown passes (he also ran for three more), and only eight interceptions. These numbers translated to a passer rating of 104.7. Furthermore, he became the first quarterback in league history to throw over 30 touchdowns and less than 10 interceptions in a single season.

Yah getting an actual WR didn't help??

Way it looks is when McNabb had a WR that was worth a shit, we were in a Super bowl (04), a NFCCG (08), and the playoffs (09).

[Greenstealth]

Originally Posted by Big Little

I think 5 should be judge on those 3 years, 04, 08, and 09.

And I think that it is not just him that is the common denominator, it is also the defense. This is not a Championship caliber defense, and until it is it won't really matter who the QB is, unless it is Manning.

With that said, I am ready for Kolb because I know FF won't change anything during the off season, and McNabb is not going to improve his accuracy either. We have talent, a lot, on offense now, we need to figure out the QB situation and quick!

Why should he only be judged on 3 years? Because his situation wasn't perfect in any other years?

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by harls

I dont want to see Klob stick around the way the Reno Mahe's have in the past.

Kolb's not the problem. McNabb is.

[Greenstealth]

Originally Posted by Big Little

I love the argument that weapons don't matter:

2004
McNabb finally amassed the kind of numbers that placed him firmly as one of the elite NFL quarterbacks statistically. He averaged 8.26 yards per attempt, completed 64.0 percent of his passes, threw 31 touchdown passes (he also ran for three more), and only eight interceptions. These numbers translated to a passer rating of 104.7. Furthermore, he became the first quarterback in league history to throw over 30 touchdowns and less than 10 interceptions in a single season.

Yah getting an actual WR didn't help??

Way it looks is when McNabb had a WR that was worth a shit, we were in a Super bowl (04), a NFCCG (08), and the playoffs (09).

I didnt know making the playoffs or losing nfccg or puking away super bowls were goals. The guy didn't get it done even when he had great opportunities. Those statistics don't mean shit.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by Big Little

I think 5 should be judge on those 3 years, 04, 08, and 09.

Throw out 2004. That's ancient history.

He is being judged on 2008 and 2009. Especially the last two games of 2009.

[Big Little]

Alone, I say he did great in 08, losing to AZ was not his fault regardless of what people say here.

And 09 was an up and down year, where he looked great sometimes and not so much others, I agree the last 2 games were horrible, but that wasn't just him.

Do you think the defense is Super bowl caliber?

Like I have said, this doesn't change my feelings about wanting him to be moved, it is not going to change, and I have accepted that. But I still won't look back over this decade and blame our lack of a SB all on 5.

[Big Little]

Did you read about how bad our WR's were? Do you remember that??

I am saying if you are going to force an inaccurate QB in to a WC offense why the fuck would you do that without at least having mediocre WR's on your team??

I hold him accountable for years that he wasn't out there doing it alone, 04, 08, and 09.

[RSE]

I remember that in the first nine games of 2003, McNabb's passer rating was 63.5 and his completion percentage was 52.0%. You can't lay that all at the feet of his wide receivers, bad as they were (and, I note, the Eagles were 6-3). And if you do, how do you explain that McNabb had a 101.8 passer rating the last seven games and a completion percentage of 65.0%?