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  • #16
    Really?
    John Erlichman, one of President Richard Nixon's closest aides, has admitted America's "War on Drugs" was a hoax designed to vilify and disrupt "the antiwar left and black people" when it was launched in 1971.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hurricane Dean View Post
      I agree they changed the game bc of Wilt. How did they change it to favor Jordan?
      Hand checking...

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      • #18
        He's yet to

        Originally posted by DEERSPINE GUY View Post
        I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING LEBRON TONIGHT. IF HE KEEPS DOIN WHAT HE'S DOIN, HE MAY SURPASS AIR JORDAN AS THE MAN.
        surpass Kobe. I detest Kobe as a person but at least he has SOME class.
        In their primes,

        Jordan > Kobe > LeBron

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        • #19
          Kobe > Lebron

          This could be debatable.

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          • #20
            an extra step

            Originally posted by Hurricane Dean View Post
            I agree they changed the game bc of Wilt. How did they change it to favor Jordan?
            a full step. He went from the Elgin Baylor exta half step to the MJ step and a half.

            they also gave him all types of liberties with hand and body contact when MJ was on defense. They went the other way with Wilt, calling everything and he still never fouled out of a game.
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            • #21
              with all due respect to "your dad and his buddies"

              Originally posted by Hurricane Dean View Post
              Some people put more weight into stats and Wilt wins this argument. Others place more emphasis on championships which Jordan clearly wins.

              My Dad and his buddies that watched Wilt play don't deny he's right there with Jordan. Apparently Russell outplayed Wilt when they faced eachother which probably cost him championships. No one ever outplayed Jordan and his competiveness plus championships gives him the nod.
              even Wilt's detractors who saw him play never said Russel got the better of him. Wilt got 55 rebounds against Bill Russell. 55!!!

              Russell was surrounded by Hall of Famers: Cousy, Havlicek, Sam Jones and had the greatest coach in the game. Wilt usually was surrounded by mediocre talent. The two times he had talent around him, he won it all. MJ didn't win shit, either, until he had the likes of Pippin, Rodman, etc.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by ishimonster View Post
                surpass Kobe. I detest Kobe as a person but at least he has SOME class.
                In their primes,

                Jordan > Kobe > LeBron
                AS OF NOW, THIS MOMENT I GO JORDAN WILT LEBRON. BUT AS LEBRON'S CAREER UNFOLDS IT WILL BE LEBRON JORDAN WILT. IF IT WASN'T FOR DOC THERE WOULD BE NO JORDAN ACROBATICS.

                I DON'T SEE HOW LEBRON HAS NO CLASS, BECAUSE HE LEFT A TOWN THAT WOULDN'T GIVE HIM A SUPPORTING CAST AND SOME DUMBASS TV SHOW? YEAH IT WAS A DUMBASS THING TO DO TO GO ON TV, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY THING ELSE THAT WOULD PROMOTE 'NO CLASS'.
                "LIFE IS FULL OF 4TH AND 1 DECISIONS, CHOOSE YOUR NEXT CROSSROADS WISELY.

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                • #23
                  Bill Wennington won an NBA championship.

                  So I guess you would take him over Bob Lanier or Artis Gilmore. Interesting.
                  John Erlichman, one of President Richard Nixon's closest aides, has admitted America's "War on Drugs" was a hoax designed to vilify and disrupt "the antiwar left and black people" when it was launched in 1971.

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                  • #24
                    The most amazing thing of all...

                    is that people actually believe AI belongs in the argument. Tim Duncan was taken first overall the year after Iverson and is STILL one of the all time great clutch players. Hell, he scored the first five points for the Spurs in OT last night. That folk would consider Iverson one of the all time great Sixers is ludicrous. Just at guard I'd take Greer, Toney, Collins and Cheeks over him because they played within the team concept and excelled at their roles.
                    John Erlichman, one of President Richard Nixon's closest aides, has admitted America's "War on Drugs" was a hoax designed to vilify and disrupt "the antiwar left and black people" when it was launched in 1971.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Loki View Post
                      is that people actually believe AI belongs in the argument. Tim Duncan was taken first overall the year after Iverson and is STILL one of the all time great clutch players. Hell, he scored the first five points for the Spurs in OT last night. That folk would consider Iverson one of the all time great Sixers is ludicrous. Just at guard I'd take Greer, Toney, Collins and Cheeks over him because they played within the team concept and excelled at their roles.
                      AI IN TOP TEN AT LEAST.
                      "LIFE IS FULL OF 4TH AND 1 DECISIONS, CHOOSE YOUR NEXT CROSSROADS WISELY.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DEERSPINE GUY View Post
                        AS OF NOW, THIS MOMENT I GO JORDAN WILT LEBRON. BUT AS LEBRON'S CAREER UNFOLDS IT WILL BE LEBRON JORDAN WILT. IF IT WASN'T FOR DOC THERE WOULD BE NO JORDAN ACROBATICS.

                        I DON'T SEE HOW LEBRON HAS NO CLASS, BECAUSE HE LEFT A TOWN THAT WOULDN'T GIVE HIM A SUPPORTING CAST AND SOME DUMBASS TV SHOW? YEAH IT WAS A DUMBASS THING TO DO TO GO ON TV, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY THING ELSE THAT WOULD PROMOTE 'NO CLASS'.
                        I didn't include Wilt in that, just the main 3 who are most often brought up when it comes to this debate. I never had the opportunity to watch Wilt play but Bill Russell was pretty damn dominant himself, offensively and defensively.

                        I guess I can't say LeBron has no class... Still, while I don't give two shits about Cleveland (no offense EIO), I can't stand what those three did in Miami (Bosh as well). Look at a player like Kevin Durant - Although he has a better supporting cast than LeBron did, he's dedicated himself to that city, which is probably one of the smallest markets in the NBA. Bottom line is there's a reason why so many people hate LeDouche and nobody hates KD.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Loki View Post
                          is that people actually believe AI belongs in the argument. Tim Duncan was taken first overall the year after Iverson and is STILL one of the all time great clutch players. Hell, he scored the first five points for the Spurs in OT last night. That folk would consider Iverson one of the all time great Sixers is ludicrous. Just at guard I'd take Greer, Toney, Collins and Cheeks over him because they played within the team concept and excelled at their roles.
                          AI literally took the Sixers to the NBA Championship on his back. Toney and Collins had a all-star cast around them. Greer played with Wilt.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ishimonster View Post
                            I didn't include Wilt in that, just the main 3 who are most often brought up when it comes to this debate. I never had the opportunity to watch Wilt play but Bill Russell was pretty damn dominant himself, offensively and defensively.

                            I guess I can't say LeBron has no class... Still, while I don't give two shits about Cleveland (no offense EIO), I can't stand what those three did in Miami (Bosh as well). Look at a player like Kevin Durant - Although he has a better supporting cast than LeBron did, he's dedicated himself to that city, which is probably one of the smallest markets in the NBA. Bottom line is there's a reason why so many people hate LeDouche and nobody hates KD.
                            What about the Shaq leaving Orlando for flashy big market LA?

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                            • #29
                              And got beat in the finals by the guy the Sixers should have drafted.
                              John Erlichman, one of President Richard Nixon's closest aides, has admitted America's "War on Drugs" was a hoax designed to vilify and disrupt "the antiwar left and black people" when it was launched in 1971.

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                              • #30
                                :D
                                Originally posted by ishimonster View Post
                                I didn't include Wilt in that, just the main 3 who are most often brought up when it comes to this debate. I never had the opportunity to watch Wilt play but Bill Russell was pretty damn dominant himself, offensively and defensively.

                                I guess I can't say LeBron has no class... Still, while I don't give two shits about Cleveland (no offense EIO), I can't stand what those three did in Miami (Bosh as well). Look at a player like Kevin Durant - Although he has a better supporting cast than LeBron did, he's dedicated himself to that city, which is probably one of the smallest markets in the NBA. Bottom line is there's a reason why so many people hate LeDouche and nobody hates KD.
                                Kd didn't do that.....yet....because he didn't have to. Lebron had literally the worst team in all of the nba. I will be interested to see if cp3 and Dwight Howard team up somewhere, maybe in hou or Dallas.

                                I hated on Lebron that first year as much as anyone, but at this point I just want to sit back and enjoy the greatness. I also think MJ is a total dickhead, from living in his hometown of Wilmington NC and now here in Charlotte. A total self absorbed cheap prick. Still number one as a baller to me though, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone better.

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