What means are acceptable to land Mariotta?

[BigSlizz]

I haven't seen anyone say "No thanks, he sucks!" so clearly he can be an effective QB. Plummeting the franchise into a decade of suck is the biggest concern.

So what's acceptable? This year's first, Foles and a second? This year's first and next year's first? What is realistic?

The Jets aren't at the top, so an RGIII type deal is off the table, IMO.

[Eagle Road]

I haven't seen anyone say "No thanks, he sucks!" so clearly he can be an effective QB. Plummeting the franchise into a decade of suck is the biggest concern.

So what's acceptable? This year's first, Foles and a second? This year's first and next year's first? What is realistic?

The Jets aren't at the top, so an RGIII type deal is off the table, IMO.

With every thing else that is going on with the J-E-T-S I would think they would want Foles, he's a somewhat proven QB that could start immediately.


If that is the case, than I just don't see more than Foles and another pick or two.

[AnnapolisEagle]

I haven't seen anyone say "No thanks, he sucks!" so clearly he can be an effective QB. Plummeting the franchise into a decade of suck is the biggest concern.

So what's acceptable? This year's first, Foles and a second? This year's first and next year's first? What is realistic?

The Jets aren't at the top, so an RGIII type deal is off the table, IMO.

All depends how high you've got to go.

After all this, I can't help but think Kelly wants the team to look exactly how he wants it to look and damn the consequences, so he's gonna move mountains for Mariota. If that means getting up to No. 2, that's a fuckload of assets. Like, 3 firsts and Foles. Maybe a second, too? I mean, I'm not even sure the draft value chart has a setting for that. The Redskins used 3 firsts and a second to go from 6 to 2.

If the price was this year's first, Foles and a second Chip would do it in a heartbeat. That's really just Foles and a 2nd to swap firsts, which is more than reasonable for a guy who fits your system perfectly and has a really high floor in it.

I can see that being the price only if he falls to, like, 10.

I, personally, think that would be a more than reasonable move. You're swapping firsts and adding a questionable QB asset plus a second-rounder to get a potential franchise QB. No qualms with that, at all.

But I can't see the price being that low.

[J_Cuz31]

Foles, this years first, next years first and this years third.

[CbEagle]

I could live with that, just need a backup qb maybe Locker. A bonus to this happening is we might never here from that fucktard le ref ref and maybe Iowa.

[Dolomite]

The would be about right. The picks alone should be enough just going by value points. The 6th pick is worth 1600 points. The 20th pick is worth 850. We don't know what position the Eagles will pick next year but the last pick 32 is worth 590. The Eagles 3rd round pick this year is worth 170.

The deal floated the other day that had the Eagles trading three #1 and #2's and some 3rd round picks to move up was insanity.

[Dolomite]

Apparently Locker can't throw a football.

http://www.talk-sports.net/nfl/sucks.aspx/Jake_Locker
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ker?id=2495194

[SCREAMIN EAGLE]

I haven't seen anyone say "No thanks, he sucks!" so clearly he can be an effective QB. Plummeting the franchise into a decade of suck is the biggest concern.

So what's acceptable? This year's first, Foles and a second?

It would be next year's first. They are just swapping this year's firsts.

[AnnapolisEagle]

I could live with that, just need a backup qb maybe Locker. A bonus to this happening is we might never here from that fucktard le ref ref and maybe Iowa.

I could definitely deal with that, too. It's steep, but only costs one future first-rounder.

Once you get more deeply into future picks, then it gets ugly.

If you can find a team that really values Foles, you can put together a package that doesn't totally kill you in future years.

I look at it like this: if Mariota is a good starting quarterback (not even transcendent, just above average) for 5 years or more, anything else you got from a single draft would be gravy. How many starters do teams get out of a single draft when they're picking at, say, 20th each round? Probably, historically, not that many. So if you trade a lot of current assets (current year picks and personnel) to make it happen, it's pretty acceptable. In that way, the Ricky Williams trade was ridiculous, but sort of logical. There was no commitment of future assets.

Once you start getting further into future years (2 future firsts), you're starting to mess with your best bets to get the players who fix the problems you don't yet know you have.

[nerd]

I could definitely deal with that, too. It's steep, but only costs one future first-rounder.

Once you get more deeply into future picks, then it gets ugly.

If you can find a team that really values Foles, you can put together a package that doesn't totally kill you in future years.

I look at it like this: if Mariota is a good starting quarterback (not even transcendent, just above average) for 5 years or more, anything else you got from a single draft would be gravy. How many starters do teams get out of a single draft when they're picking at, say, 20th each round? Probably, historically, not that many. So if you trade a lot of current assets (current year picks and personnel) to make it happen, it's pretty acceptable. In that way, the Ricky Williams trade was ridiculous, but sort of logical. There was no commitment of future assets.

Once you start getting further into future years (2 future firsts), you're starting to mess with your best bets to get the players who fix the problems you don't yet know you have.

I actually just looked back to see had the 20th pick or around there...to see if starters were taken there. Went back to 2009 and saw maclin at 19 and lesean at 20th pick of the second round. just thought it was kind of funny.

[Greenstealth]

assuming they are drafting around the same slot next year

Foles, this years first, next years first and this years third.

And the eagles are dealing with the jets @ 6, this trade makes sense and could even be on the generous side. Looking around at draft slot calculators, 6 is valued at 1700 and 20 is valued at 850. Factor the third rounder as insurance incase the eagles finish a little stronger than 20, throw in Foles, starting qb on rookie contract... seems like an easy deal to get done.

[AnnapolisEagle]

I actually just looked back to see had the 20th pick or around there...to see if starters were taken there. Went back to 2009 and saw maclin at 19 and lesean at 20th pick of the second round. just thought it was kind of funny.

Yeah, it's funny...I feel like the Eagles were really feast or famine under Reid.

There's 2002 (Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis, Sheldon Brown, Brian Westbrook) followed by 2003 (Jerome McDougle, LJ Smith, Billy McShovelhands).

[nerd]

Yeah, it's funny...I feel like the Eagles were really feast or famine under Reid.

There's 2002 (Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis, Sheldon Brown, Brian Westbrook) followed by 2003 (Jerome McDougle, LJ Smith, Billy McShovelhands).

i actually went back and looked at who had around the 20th pick for a few years back...maybe to like 2007. I probably missed a name...but there were a decent number of good players found at those picks...like pick 17-23 of each round. obviously some were shit bags...but for the most part, it ranged from decent to really good.

[Bardy]

You are misusing the trade value chart. A 1st round pick in 2016 typically has the value of a 2nd round pick in the same spot this year when evaluating trades using the value chart.

It's kind of like a present value - a pick today is more valuable than a pick in a year.
It is highly unlikely the Eagles can move up from 20 to #2 without giving up at least two 1sts two 2nds and other stuff.

That doesn't mean they won't do it - Chip has proven to be unpredictable.

[Greenstealth]

You are misusing the trade value chart. A 1st round pick in 2016 typically has the value of a 2nd round pick in the same spot this year when evaluating trades using the value chart.

It's kind of like a present value - a pick today is more valuable than a pick in a year.
It is highly unlikely the Eagles can move up from 20 to #2 without giving up at least two 1sts two 2nds and other stuff.

That doesn't mean they won't do it - Chip has proven to be unpredictable.

I see, I figured it looked too easy. Foles probably has 2nd maybe 3rd round value? This year's first next year's first a third and Foles seems like fair compensation