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Unread 01-08-2019, 06:16 PM   #1
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But why does it seem like people have no recollection of his bad games? Wentz has never had a game as bad as Foles vs. Dallas, for instance. He was absolutely putrid in that shutout a couple years back.

Foles has also been injured multiple times, has limited athleticism, has a weaker arm, slower release, worse pocket presence/movement and less mobility than Wentz.

I get recency bias and all, but this shit is getting out of hand.
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But why does it seem like people have no recollection of his bad games? Wentz has never had a game as bad as Foles vs. Dallas, for instance. He was absolutely putrid in that shutout a couple years back.
5 years ago? And you're complaining about recency bias...he didn't string together a few good games he won the fucking super bowl and was named MVP.
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5 years ago? And you're complaining about recency bias...he didn't string together a few good games he won the fucking super bowl and was named MVP.
How about TB and Atlanta, THIS YEAR? He was ass.
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How about TB and Atlanta, THIS YEAR? He was ass.
Oh now we do want to talk about THIS year? Wentz was 5-6, 0-2 against Dallas, had 7 games where he was sacked 3+ times.

People are well aware of the talent discrepancy - that is why the results are so baffling.
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Oh now we do want to talk about THIS year? Wentz was 5-6, 0-2 against Dallas, had 7 games where he was sacked 3+ times.

People are well aware of the talent discrepancy - that is why the results are so baffling.
Well, I mean, he was coming off a torn ACL, and still played pretty damn well until he broke his back.

Edit: And what variance in results? There's no sample size for Wentz. He threw a TD with a torn ACL and then never saw a playoff game.
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Edit: And what variance in results? There's no sample size for Wentz. He threw a TD with a torn ACL and then never saw a playoff game.
Try and keep up champ, the results this year. Foles is 5-1, 4 straight must win games but you’re bringing up a game from over 5 years ago.
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Try and keep up champ, the results this year. Foles is 5-1, 4 straight must win games but you’re bringing up a game from over 5 years ago.
I can't help you if you think that a win implies a good QB performance. Are we really going to sit here and pretend that Foles is playing under the same conditions as Wentz? Jernigan is back. Graham is healthy. Bennett is going off. Hicks is healthy. The new DBs are actually learning the scheme now. It's easy to be insanely reductive and place everything on the QB's shoulders, but if the defense played against the Bears the way they did earlier this season, Nick Foles getting them to 16 means jack shit. The idea that all performances are equal if they result in a win is just dumb.
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What are you babbling about?

You’ve been watching the games, Foles has been damn good, the offense looks better than it has all season AND it has resulted in wins.
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Foles didn’t have Jeffrey or Tate for the first two games and Goedert wasn’t in the team yet. Wentz never made the connection with Jeffrey or Tate this year that Foles has.
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Foles didn’t have Jeffrey or Tate for the first two games and Goedert wasn’t in the team yet. Wentz never made the connection with Jeffrey or Tate this year that Foles has.
Oh, what a horseshit argument. Who gives a fuck? Ertz is breaking records.

The Goedert point is fair, but who cares if one guy favors Alshon and one guy favors Ertz? However, they've only recently started playing Goedert (they played a lot more 11 personnel in the Bears game than they have been)
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You made the point that Foles wasn’t good the first two games. You also complained that Wentz didn’t have the support Foles does now. I’m simply saying Wentz had weapons Foles didn’t have the first two games.

And as bad as the defense was for blowing big leads, if the Eagles had made a couple of first downs against the Titans, and if they had made even one first down against the Panthers, the Eagles win those games.
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You made the point that Foles wasn’t good the first two games. You also complained that Wentz didn’t have the support Foles does now. I’m simply saying Wentz had weapons Foles didn’t have the first two games.

And as bad as the defense was for blowing big leads, if the Eagles had made a couple of first downs against the Titans, and if they had made even one first down against the Panthers, the Eagles win those games.
IT ALL BEGINS WITH OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY AND PLAY CALLING. WENTZ WAS RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE CONSTANTLY BECAUSE COACH WANTS TO THROW THE BALL MORE AND LET WENTZ MAKE PLAYS AND O LINE WAS SWISS CHEESE.
WITH FOLES HE RUNS MORE, AND O LINE PLAYING BETTER, FOLES HAS MORE TIME IN POCKET.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THESE AMATEUR EYES SEE.
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That is far from a horseshit argument. Jeffery is this team's best big play threat. It is important to establish that before throwing to the TE. I don't think it's a coincidence that Jeffery got involved early in the LA game and the team put up 30 for only the second time all season. Even in the Houston game, Jeffery had more yards on one reception than he'd had in his last 6 games with Wentz at QB.

If you want to talk about Foles's career trajectory, his regression from second year to third year, the fact that he missed more games in his first three seasons than Wentz, fine. But there's no reason to get defensive in response to what he's doing right now.

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I love this run ... I hate this QB controversy.

Nick Foles will never pay for a drink if he's in a bar where I'm at, but I have a bad feeling that if they trade Wentz, we'll be watching that fucker win Super Bowls with another team for 10 years or more.

Let me ask you a question, what would you rather see happen, Foles goes to the Vagiants in a trade or Wentz goes there?

Seriously ... I know it's a question that is kind of like: What do you like better dog shit or cow shit? ... But I'm really curious what you think.

No equivocating ... no depends on what they get back.

Simply: I'd rather face ____ on the Vagiants

(a) Foles

(b) Wentz
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I love this run ... I hate this QB controversy.

Nick Foles will never pay for a drink if he's in a bar where I'm at
I'm just enjoying the ride and rooting hard. This can be sorted out later. Plenty of time to blather on this site about this later.

Fuck da Taints

Edit: seriously, this is so much fucking fun. I'm just consuming everything I can about this team. I don't know when it will end, I don't want it to end, but we're here, drink it in!

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There is no QB controversy and it should be obvious what I think. Wentz is the guy next year. Foles vs Wentz is a much more legitimate question that McNabb vs Garcia, but it's obvious that the FO thinks that Wentz can be a top 5 QB for 10 years.

I just think Wentz fans get too defensive. Foles has been awesome over the past two years. Stating that isn't a call for Wentz to get traded.

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I guess you haven't been listening to sports talk and the media lately.
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They get paid to make good radio. Fortunately they don't influence decisions.

As soon as Wentz loses a game next season, WIP will have to shut down. Sports radio callers expect 3 Super Bowls today. It could take over 5 years for the decision to roll with Wentz to pay off.
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Can't argue with any of that.
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They get paid to make good radio. Fortunately they don't influence decisions.

As soon as Wentz loses a game next season, WIP will have to shut down. Sports radio callers expect 3 Super Bowls today. It could take over 5 years for the decision to roll with Wentz to pay off.
WIP IS STILL ON THE AIR? WOW..WHO WOULDA THUNK IT.
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