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Unread 03-04-2015, 10:05 AM   #1
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Default Ok, the initial shock has worn off

but I still am convinced that the Eagles got fleeced in this deal. There's no way that this is the absolute best deal that Chip could have gotten for Shady, and if it WAS the best deal available, then you don't pull the trigger. Period. Personally, I'm not even entertaining that deal if Buffalo isn't willing to include their second rounder. Did Chip even ASK Buffalo for picks ? Sorry, but LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso straight up isn't even close to equal. I wonder if Rex is sitting back laughing his ass of right now.
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Default If their goal is MM and we got picks I would be more understanding

that I could understand,,,Chipper wants to be the next Bilicheat,,he see's Bill win with a great Qb, and just about anyone at WR or RB...they pick up Blount and boom,,,Ring,, So in his mind he wants to put the $$$$$ at QB and Offensive and Defensive Line..

Still this was the best you could get for a top 5 RB most rushing yards in the NFL over the last 5 years??? 26 YO no less.
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but I still am convinced that the Eagles got fleeced in this deal. There's no way that this is the absolute best deal that Chip could have gotten for Shady, and if it WAS the best deal available, then you don't pull the trigger. Period. Personally, I'm not even entertaining that deal if Buffalo isn't willing to include their second rounder. Did Chip even ASK Buffalo for picks ? Sorry, but LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso straight up isn't even close to equal. I wonder if Rex is sitting back laughing his ass of right now.
Twenty minutes start to finish. Apparently not much negotiating involved.

Http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...n=Twitter_news
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Twenty minutes start to finish. Apparently not much negotiating involved.

Http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...n=Twitter_news
I mean, sickening.
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Here's how the phone call went.

Chip: Rex, would you give us Alonso for McCoy?

Rex: McCoy who?

Chip: You know, our running back.

Rex: Lesean McCoy?

Chip: Yeah. Could we get Kiki Alonso for him?

Rex: Could you hold on for a minute?

(Rex puts speaker on mute while Bills front office personnel laugh and giggle like little schoolgirls.)

Rex: I think I could get Terry and Kim to sign off on that. But no draft pick?

Chip: I wasn't asking for a draft pick too.

Rex: I meant for us, from you.

Chip: I don't think I can get Jeff to let me throw in a pick too.

Rex: Its a deal. You drive a hard bargain, Chip.
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Twenty minutes start to finish. Apparently not much negotiating involved.

Http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...n=Twitter_news
Unbelievable.
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You or I or the fans don't know what he asked for. LeSean, as much as I liked him, signed his own walking papers--just as Jackson did--when he made it public he wouldn't be taking less money to restructure his contract. Alonso is in his 3rd year, although coming off an injury, and McCoy is in his 7th year, at a physically demanding position, to which the shelf lfe is about 4-5 years usually. He already has over what, 1800 carries in his 6 years?
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You or I or the fans don't know what he asked for. LeSean, as much as I liked him, signed his own walking papers--just as Jackson did--when he made it public he wouldn't be taking less money to restructure his contract. Alonso is in his 3rd year, although coming off an injury, and McCoy is in his 7th year, at a physically demanding position, to which the shelf lfe is about 4-5 years usually. He already has over what, 1800 carries in his 6 years?
Thats bullshit. McCoy was willing to renegotiate. Kelly didn't even want to talk about it.

Fact is Kelly wanted to get rid of him last season but decided not to take the PR hit after DJax.

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Thats bullshit. McCoy was willing to renegotiate. Kelly didn't even want to talk about it.

Fact is Kelly wanted to get rid of him last season but decided not to take the PR hit after DJax.

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in what way?

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That salary and McCoy’s cap number of $11.95 million have led to much speculation about whether McCoy is at risk to be released this month. McCoy himself has said he is willing to restructure his contract to lower the cap hit, but that he is not willing to take a reduction in salary.
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Restructure his contract Is a negotiation. Fact is Kelly wanted him gone.
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Restructure his contract Is a negotiation. Fact is Kelly wanted him gone.
The only restructure it appears that McCoy was willing to do would be converting his current non-guaranteed money into a guaranteed signing bonus.

So, instead of a year-by-year where the Eagles could make a decision based on his value they'd pay him upfront and feel the effects over several years.

That's not much of a willingness to negotiate.

Now, maybe that would be more reasonable if he would take an overall pay-cute to receive more upfront guaranteed money but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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Restructure his contract Is a negotiation. Fact is Kelly wanted him gone.


Kelly wants a North/South bang the hole runner, although he is a unique talent, Shady, will never be that, so IF you can save money, help out other positions and still have RB's available for far less money, you do what you have to.


I look at it this way, it's Kelly's balls on the chopping block, either way he will get the praise or the blame, and if you going to take that hit, you might as well get the players YOU want, at the positions YOU want them at, doing what YOU want them to do.
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The trade can't be evaluated by looking at it like: Is Kiko > McCoy. It's Kiko + Free Agents Signed by creating cap space > McCoy.

I think you are missing that at first glance.
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The trade can't be evaluated by looking at it like: Is Kiko > McCoy. It's Kiko + Free Agents Signed by creating cap space > McCoy.

I think you are missing that at first glance.
You're surprised?
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This EIO?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f7z_zxQ4c8

Sorry if already posted.

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Bwwaaahhhh!!! "Where's my knife at? I'm cutting my MF'ing throat"!!!!!
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Thats bullshit. McCoy was willing to renegotiate. Kelly didn't even want to talk about it.

Fact is Kelly wanted to get rid of him last season but decided not to take the PR hit after DJax.

Http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sl14ij
That twit whatever post makes it clear:

"Honestly we were under the impression the whole time, that eventually at some point, Chip [Kelly] was going to ask LeSean to restructure his contract--not a pay cut, but convert some of his signing bonus."
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That twit whatever post makes it clear:

"Honestly we were under the impression the whole time, that eventually at some point, Chip [Kelly] was going to ask LeSean to restructure his contract--not a pay cut, but convert some of his signing bonus."
Same difference pretty much, isn't it? Moot point in any case.

Still say Bobbyuk is dead wrong that Kelly wanted to renegotiate. I have a link on that I'll find later.
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