Have to take it back a little

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IDK about that ... Lacava is an experienced caddy also.

Lots of these guys don't know the rules ... that's why they have all those officials out there.

I actually thought Dustin Johnson fucked something up when his ball rolled what looked like more that two club lengths from where he took relief.

He asked Couples for his take and Couples agreed with him and then Johnson hit the shot.

Maybe I had a bad angle and it was within the limit, but it looked outside it on tv.

[JB]

Yeah for me too...

Wonder what his fellow competitors think of this ruling? He did get royally fucked on that shot to 15 though

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David Duvall tweeted that he thought Woods should withdraw because he took an improper advantage and then signed off on it.

I remember Woods saying in his post-game interview that he intentionally went back two yards further to hit a particular shot from the particular distance he wanted.

[JB]

Just heard Mahan say he was OK with it and that

the rule was put in last year due to HDTV and all the shit people were calling into TV stations about rules breaking. Blows that they penalize the kid by the letter of the law and then have this shit.

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Begs an interesting question ... if the kid had missed the cut, and the rules committee was being skewered even more as a result, would the additional pressure to be nit picky in a non-discriminatory fashion still have been ignored to keep Woods on television?

[3rd & Inches]

Begs an interesting question ... if the kid had missed the cut, and the rules committee was being skewered even more as a result, would the additional pressure to be nit picky in a non-discriminatory fashion still have been ignored to keep Woods on television?

Only in golf can you call in and dry snitch on the athletes. What fucking number do you dial? Its laughable that they have a rule that deals with people who phone in penalties.

[CCPete]

How many of these guys have done something that was not on TV that woul be a penalty or DQ? Every one of Tiger shots is televised and taped.

Some players think he should DQ himself for breaking the rule even if he wasn't aware he broke it. Maybe he should but he didn't intentionally break it because he said after the round that he dropped the ball behind the original spot for a better position.

[3rd & Inches]

He broke a rule, he should be penalized. Apparently there was a rule put in two years ago that keeps him from being disqualified.

My only beef I have is why would they entertain a phone call from the viewing public? Can I call David Stern when players constantly travel with the ball? Can I call Goodell when the team didn't get the snap off on time and the refs missed it?

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I disagree

Football, baseball, basketball and hockey now use replay.

And ... if a spectator at the event went up to an official and said it to him the same thing would happen.

The fact that it's seen on tv is irrelevant IMO.

What's actually laughable is the explanation I just watched by the rules official from Augusta.

The guy says they got the phone call from the fan before Woods finished ... looked at the tape and decided he played the shot close enough to the original spot so as not to violate the rule.

Then Woods admits he intentionally moved it back, in an interview after he signed his card.

The official says this is why they re-thought their original ruling, but wouldn't DQ him because THEY had made a mistake and ruled it was ok previously.

However, the rules official did not indicate that this was ever communicated to Woods before he signed the card.

The official then says players are required to know the rules ... but Woods clearly did not know the rule and this is why he signed a bad card.

The fact that they fucked it up without knowing Woods' intention, did not mislead Woods into signing a bad card, if he did not know of their bad ruling when he signed the card.

What he did know is that he intentionally stepped back, which violates the rule he's under an obligation to know.

But they somehow make their prior "he did it good" ruling a basis for no DQ, even if Woods didn't know they had fucked their original ruling up ... and when he was supposed to know the card was bad, because he's responsible for knowing the rules.

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Yes he did intentionally break it ... he admitted it in an interview ... the fact that he didn't know he broke it is irrelevant because he's supposed to know.

Ignorance of the law is immaterial here.

He didn't do what he did accidentally ... he did it on purpose.

The rules official at Augusta just stated that players are responsible for knowing the rules.

[3rd & Inches]

Yeah that was a crap explanation by the rules official. The game moves slow enough and the USGA/PGA have enough bodies that they can assign an official to every grouping. Let them make the call as it happens. As soon as Tiger dropped the ball back five or six feet back, and then struck the ball...he should have been dinged.

I just don't understand the reason why they would entertain a phone call. You and I both know that Tiger probably gets thousands of "call ins" every tournament. Phone calls from crazy fucking people.

[3rd & Inches]

Yes he did intentionally break it ... he admitted it in an interview ... the fact that he didn't know he broke it is irrelevant because he's supposed to know.

Ignorance of the law is immaterial here.

He didn't do what he did accidentally ... he did it on purpose.

The rules official at Augusta just stated that players are responsible for knowing the rules.

I personally feel that if you stay on the same direct line, you should be able to move your ball back farther from the pin as much as you want. Unless you are up against a tree, rock etc. or in a divet. If you'd rather hit a 40 yard wedge instead of the 35 yard shot...fuck it.

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I believe he could have done that from where the ball crossed the hazard ... which was nuts considering it doinked off the flag.

What he couldn't do is decide to play it from some line using the original spot as a reference point. You can hit it from that spot, but not some other distance in relation to that.

[3rd & Inches]

I believe he could have done that from where the ball crossed the hazard ... which was nuts considering it doinked off the flag.

What he couldn't do is decide to play it from some line using the original spot as a reference point. You can hit it from that spot, but not some other distance in relation to that.

The course is starting to win today. WTF happened to phil? They just said he hit the water in all three of the holes in amen corner.

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The call in thing is debatable.

I get your position and I get a contrary one.

However, if they didn't dupe him into signing a bad card I can see why some people think it should be a DQ ... which was my position above.

The reason for that position is that they made a ruling that he dropped it ok but, if that ruling was unknown to Woods, it doesn't change the fact that he was supposed to know he violated the rule when he signed the card.

However, after some more thought, I guess it makes sense that what the rules guys are saying, in effect, is that they would have told Woods he violated the rule immediately, if they had known what he was thinking when the fan called it in.

They say, without knowing he was taking two yards back intentionally, they thought he was trying to approximate his original spot and did it close enough not to violate the rule.

When he later stated he moved back intentionally (in the post round interview), they then decided he violated the rule but didn't DQ him and only gave him the stroke penalty ... I guess because they think it would be unfair to DQ him when they would have told him of the violation before he signed his card, if they knew what he was thinking at that time.