I give Chipster high marks

[Irish George]

what a concept: you have number 4, you keep no. 4, you draft a guy worthy of it at a position of need, sucker the fins into a moveup and making your guy extra money (come see us after that rookie contract is up). Instead of getting cute he made the good common sense play.

[CCPete]

If you have one of the worst defenses in the league......you can't be successful. Common sense says you fix that first. There were some quality players available early on D. They let them go.

[The Ref]

Especially considering Coach Kelly made it perfectly clear that Howie is running the draft.

Modrak pick. Reid pick. Modrak pick. Reid pick.

[Eagle In Ohio]

There was really no wrong way to go

If you have one of the worst defenses in the league......you can't be successful. Common sense says you fix that first. There were some quality players available early on D. They let them go.

Short of trading back into the teens. IG is right. One of top 5 players available, and a position of need. How could you possibly have a problem with doing that ? Oh I forgot, you're you.

Or is it the fact that it was Chip Kelly making the pick, so you would have shitted on anything he did ?

[CCPete]

So if the best player available in the second round is an OL or a RB or a WR ....they take him? This whole "best player" crap is garbage.

[Irish George]

dont buy into Howie having that much say.

Especially considering Coach Kelly made it perfectly clear that Howie is running the draft.

Modrak pick. Reid pick. Modrak pick. Reid pick.

Here's what I do know: during the Reid regime they almost always had to try to do more with the pick and fucked it up anyway. Solid pick.

New coaching regime, new dtraft approach. That's Chip, despite what he says about it being Howie's deal. And my money's on Chip if it comes to any kind of power struggle.

[Eagle In Ohio]

I didn't say that

So if the best player available in the second round is an OL or a RB or a WR ....they take him? This whole "best player" crap is garbage.

I said that Lane Johnson was one of the top 5 players available AND he filled a position of need. When you have that combination, you make the pick. I would have been fine with Milliner, too, but if they're going to put all of their eggs in Vick's basket, the least they can do is keep him upright.

[Raptor]

Im waiting and watching...too early to critique

I enjoyed the first pick, a real area of need...but with all the holes this team has it was sort of like shooting fish in a barrel.(unless you went P/PK)

Tonight will be more telling.

I hope we can go defense with our next pick.

[CCPete]

Milliner was my first choice. So, if Vick is the QB .....we will see if the past poor OL was the reason for Vicks performance and injuries. I don't buy it. But I can't change who I root for. So, I hope I'm wrong about Vick and Chip. I'd rather be bashed here than be right.

[The Ref]

Yeah. I know you don't buy it. Doesn't make it less true.

Look. It's kind of silly to debate this stuff. Most teams, the eagles included, do this collaboratively. The work's been done for weeks and they just follow that bored thingy. But if teams call to make a trade, it's Roseman on the horn, not coach Kelly. Just like in years past it was Banner, not Reid.

[GroundedBird]

Pete, just curious...

the staff has added some players to their D. Here's the new DBs

LCB Fletcher, Bradley U/SL
SS Chung, Patrick U/NE
FS Phillips, Kenny U/NYG
RCB Williams, Cary U/Bal

How do you think they'll compare against last year's team?

[DJCon57]

If you have one of the worst defenses in the league......you can't be successful. Common sense says you fix that first. There were some quality players available early on D. They let them go.

Common sense to me is if you take a OT in the Top 10..it's pretty much as sure of a thing as you can get in the draft. Last 10 years: 7 Pro Bowlers, 2 basic starters, 4 busts. I'll take those odds.

2002:
Mike Williams - Buffalo (BUST)
Bryant McKinnie - Minny (Pro Bowl)


2003:
Jordan Gross - Carolina (Pro Bowl)


2004:
Robert Gallery - Oakland (BUST)

2006:
D'Brickashaw Ferguson - Jets (Pro Bowl)

2007:
Levi Brown - Arizona (ok)

2008:
Jake Long - Miami (Pro Bowl)

2009:
Jason Smith - St Louis (BUST)
Andre Smith - Cincy (BUST)
Eugene Monroe - Jax (ok)

2010:
Trent Williams - Wash (Pro Bowl)
Russell Okung - Seattle (Pro Bowl)

2012:
Matt Kalil - Minny (Pro Bowl)

[Eagle In Ohio]

Joe Thomas ?

Common sense to me is if you take a OT in the Top 10..it's pretty much as sure of a thing as you can get in the draft. Last 10 years: 7 Pro Bowlers, 2 basic starters, 4 busts. I'll take those odds.

2002:
Mike Williams - Buffalo (BUST)
Bryant McKinnie - Minny (Pro Bowl)


2003:
Jordan Gross - Carolina (Pro Bowl)


2004:
Robert Gallery - Oakland (BUST)

2006:
D'Brickashaw Ferguson - Jets (Pro Bowl)

2007:
Levi Brown - Arizona (ok)

2008:
Jake Long - Miami (Pro Bowl)

2009:
Jason Smith - St Louis (BUST)
Andre Smith - Cincy (BUST)
Eugene Monroe - Jax (ok)

2010:
Trent Williams - Wash (Pro Bowl)
Russell Okung - Seattle (Pro Bowl)

2012:
Matt Kalil - Minny (Pro Bowl)

Gotta be in there.

[DJCon57]

Gotta be in there.

Yep, missed Joe Thomas, 2007...so add another pro bowler.

Edit:

Should also add 2009 really skews these #s and the entire top of the 2009 was hot garbage other than Stafford and BJ Raji

[Irish George]

you brought it up, not me.

Yeah. I know you don't buy it. Doesn't make it less true.

Look. It's kind of silly to debate this stuff. Most teams, the eagles included, do this collaboratively. The work's been done for weeks and they just follow that bored thingy. But if teams call to make a trade, it's Roseman on the horn, not coach Kelly. Just like in years past it was Banner, not Reid.

agree its a waste of time. Again, here is what I do know. Kelly is in the first year of a three year deal with no pro experience of course he will publicly defer to Howie. Nevertheless, this seems like a Chip-orchestrated scenario especially the smokescreen forcing the 'fins to move up. No way is that Howie.