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  • #31
    Originally posted by RSE View Post
    In the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), France fought alongside the United States, against Britain, from 1778. French money, munitions, soldiers and naval forces proved essential to America's victory over the Crown, but France gained little except large debts.

    Benjamin Franklin served as the American ambassador to France from 1776 to 1783. He met with many leading diplomats, aristocrats, intellectuals, scientists and financiers. Franklin's image and writings caught the French imagination – there were many images of him sold on the market – and he became the image of the archetypal new American and even a hero for aspirations for a new order inside France. The French goal was to weaken Britain, both to keep it from getting too powerful and to exact revenge for the defeat in the Seven Year War. After the American capture of the British invasion army at Saratoga in 1777, and after the French navy had been built up, France was ready. In 1778 France recognized the United States of America as a sovereign nation, signed a military alliance, went to war with Britain, built coalitions with the Netherlands and Spain that kept Britain without a significant ally of its own, provided the Americans with grants, arms and loans, sent a combat army to serve under George Washington, and sent a navy that prevented the second British army from escaping from Yorktown in 1781. In all, the French spent about 1.3 billion livres (in modern currency, approximately thirteen billion U.S. dollars) to support the Americans directly, not including the money it spent fighting Britain on land and sea outside the U.S.[1]

    French aid proved vital in the victory of the Americans seeking independence from Britain. The U.S. gained much territory at the 1783 Treaty of Paris, but France – after losing some naval battles – fared poorly there. It did get its revenge and made a new ally and trading partner. However the high debt France accumulated was a major cause of the French Revolution in 1789, and subsequent Quasi War between Revolutionary France and the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_...olutionary_War
    You can't let facts get in the way of KG reasoning

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    • #32
      You are ignorant of history, aren't you?

      Originally posted by Kelly Green View Post
      Find me one Frenchman who participated in the debate over the Declaration or the sessions that produced the Constitution.
      http://www.jstor.org/stable/1833368?seq=4

      http://www.studymode.com/essays/Enli...Of-785149.html
      Last edited by RSE; 05-03-2013, 07:32 PM.

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      • #33
        Hahahahahaha!
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        "We choose to go to the moon."

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        • #34
          I have a bachelors degree in history with high honors (as well as a second bachelors in English literature). I haven't forgotten that much in 30 years.

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          • #35
            Not to mention Ben Franklin was the colonial ambassador to France and Thomas Jefferson, it is fairly well known, was heavily influenced by French and English (!) Enlightment thinkers.

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            • #36
              ... Guy LaFleur, Yvan Cournoyer and Jacques Lemaire?

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              • #37
                Maybe it was because the Americans;

                All had their own guns, hunted Turkeys, Deer and Rabbits for food, knew how to be stealthy in the woods, and didn't stand out in the open in formation and wait for the Enemy to come to them.
                "Never Look Back, Something May Be Gaining On You."

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                • #38
                  Influenced And Participated Are Two Totally Diferent Things

                  Hell, I'm sure the Roman Senate was probably an influence in some ways but that doesn't mean that Brutus took part in the actual discussions!
                  "If I owned Texas and Hell, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell!"

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                  • #39
                    I DON'T Know The Answer Asshole!

                    That's the point of the whole fuckin' thing you blithering moron! Logic says there's no way in hell it should have succeeded! It was like combining cherries, pineapple and yellow cake mix and ending up with a Stealth Bomber!
                    "If I owned Texas and Hell, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell!"

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kelly Green View Post
                      That's the point of the whole fuckin' thing you blithering moron! Logic says there's no way in hell it should have succeeded! It was like combining cherries, pineapple and yellow cake mix and ending up with a Stealth Bomber!

                      It was a one in a million shot, we got lucky to have forefathers that could read, study and understand the downfalls of all of the other civilized unions, and were brave enough to put forth a plan of action, and actually succeed.

                      Sure there have since been other Governments throughout the world, but try as they might, none that have been as successful or long lasting.

                      There are MANY other "Democracies" in the world, but there are no other "Republics" exactly like this, something that is lost on most people today, ask anybody you run into and most will tell you our form of Government is a Democracy, of course, as of right now anyway, they would be incorrect.
                      Last edited by Eagle Road; 05-04-2013, 09:17 AM.

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                      • #41
                        I still have the HBO series "John Adams" saved on the DVR.
                        Awesome series

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                        • #42
                          so, you caught three whole mintues

                          of a history channel show, and you are amazed?

                          you would be even more amazed if you knew more.

                          I suggest "Birth of the Republic" by Edmund Morgan.

                          "The American Revolution" by Edward Countryman.

                          And "The Unknown American Revolution" by Gary B. Nash


                          Nash, who was born in Philadelphia, is an excellent source about the unlikely prospects of colonial America's becoming a nation.

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