NRA "Youth Day"

[Irish George]

DISCUSS!!!

[Eagle In Ohio]

I wonder how much fatter that POS Wayne LaPierre's pockets got

Off of the lives of those people in the Colorado movie theatre, and the kids in Newton, Conn. Big pimpin, spendin G's

[Eagle Road]

Interesting article,




he Firearms Statistics That Gun Control Advocates Don’t Want to See
By Jason Howerton | The Blaze – 2 hrs 25 mins ago

The Firearms Statistics That Gun Control Advocates Don’t Want to See
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To accompany TheBlaze's coverage of the National Rifle Association's annual meeting in Houston, we figured it could be helpful to share some gun statistics pointed out to us by some of the NRA Convention attendees. Forget the talking points used by both sides in the gun control debate; we're going to be talking about verified statistics.
Gun control advocates be advised, these are not the statistics you are looking for.

According to data from the FBI's uniform crime reports, California had the highest number of gun murders in 2011 with 1,220 -- which makes up 68 percent of all murders in the state that year and equates to 3.25 murders per 100,000 people.

The irony of such a grisly distinction is evident when you look at which state was named the state with the strongest gun control laws in 2011 by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. You guessed it -- it was California.
"What is very unusual is that California also has a program by which we can remove guns, recover guns from people who have a gun and then subsequently become prohibited or dangerous," Brady Campaign spokeswoman Amanda Wilcox said at the time.

It should be noted, though, that California is also one of the biggest states in the country, with a population of about about 37 million. Therefore, it might make sense that it would have a high number of murders but its murder rate is still high as gun control has had a seemingly inconsequential impact. In comparison, Texas has a population of about 25.6 million and saw 699 total gun murders in 2011 -- nearly half that of California -- and a firearms murder rate of 2.91 per 100,000.

In 2011, Utah, the state that the Brady Campaign determined had the least gun control, experienced just 26 gun murders and a firearms murder rate of 0.97. Utah has a population 2.8 million.

gun control scorecard
(Brady Campaign)

But if you look at the data another way -- murders per 100,000 people -- another gun control haven tops the list.
The FBI data also notes that Washington, D.C. had the highest murder rate per 100,000 people. The nation's capital saw 12 gun murders per 100,000 in 2011. DC also finished first in gun-related robberies per 100,000 people - with 242.56.

In 1976, the District of Columbia required all guns be registered, banned new handguns and required guns at home to be stored and dissembled or locked up. Unfortunately, the draconian measures -- which lasted more than three decades -- didn't had the desired effect.
Journalist and attorney Jeffrey Scott Shapiro explains the not-so-surprising result in an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal on Jan. 15, 2013:

The gun ban had an unintended effect: It emboldened criminals because they knew that law-abiding District residents were unarmed and powerless to defend themselves. Violent crime increased after the law was enacted, with homicides rising to 369 in 1988, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started. By 1993, annual homicides had reached 454.
[...]

Since the gun ban was struck down, murders in the District have steadily gone down, from 186 in 2008 to 88 in 2012, the lowest number since the law was enacted in 1976.
Though it should be noted that the gun murders started decreasing in 1994.
Today, Washington, D.C. still has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. And yet again, the gun murder rate remains dramatically high, the highest in the United States in fact.

So, do the numbers indicate that gun control is the answer to gun violence? You decide.

[The Ump]

Off of the lives of those people in the Colorado movie theatre, and the kids in Newton, Conn. Big pimpin, spendin G's

I started to type something, than I realized that you can't argue with liberals, they're always right.

[Eagle Road]

I started to type something, than I realized that you can't argue with liberals, they're always right.

That's why I no longer argue, just present credible facts and see what happens.

[bk]

Interesting article Firearms Statistics That Gun Control Advocates Don’t Want to See
By Jason Howerton | The Blaze – 2 hrs 25 mins ago

yeah, because numbers never lie, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheBlaze : """TheBlaze, formerly GBTV, is a conservative libertarian news, information, and entertainment television network founded by talk radio personality Glenn Beck."""

[Eagle Road]

yeah, because numbers never lie, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheBlaze : """TheBlaze, formerly GBTV, is a conservative libertarian news, information, and entertainment television network founded by talk radio personality Glenn Beck."""

So it would make you feel better if I gleaned the numbers in the article "directly" from the FBI? It was not a GBTV study, they simply used the numbers supplied in the FBI study in the article.

Try and read it one more time, all the way though, it may help, or not.

[IronEagle]

So it would make you feel better if I gleaned the numbers in the article "directly" from the FBI? It was not a GBTV study, they simply used the numbers supplied in the FBI study in the article.

Try and read it one more time, all the way though, it may help, or not.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

Yup. Glenn Beck used the numbers.

[Irish George]

congrats...might be dumbest post ever on Igglephans

I started to type something, than I realized that you can't argue with liberals, they're always right.

who is arguing, and who is liberal?

I asked for a discussion on NRA "Youth Day."

at least let a "liberal" make a contention before you whine about how "they" argue.

[Eagle In Ohio]

I don't really care about your stats

That's why I no longer argue, just present credible facts and see what happens.

What I SEE, is that when you have a situation like Columbine, or Aurora, or Newton, and there's a mass murder by gun, you have a lot of people who start asking for more gun control. When this happens, people like LaPierre, and other agencies like Gun Owners of America, start chirping about Second Amendment rights, always conveniently leaving out the part about a WELL REGULATED MILITIA having the right to bear arms. Nowhere in the Second Amendment does it say that Joe Citizen on Main St. in Anywhere, USA has the right to possess any and every weapon he wants without restriction, much less a military style weapon that is designed solely for the purpose of killing a whole bunch of people in a little bit of time.

Then these assholes start using fear and lies and telling the American people that a background check is only the first step to taking away everyone's guns like this is England. They turn the volume on the fear machine up to 11, and start re-hashing that asinine, douchebag quote about prying their gun from their cold dead hands. People get scared off of this bullshit, and start signing up for an NRA membership at $1,000 a pop, and all the while LaPierre is like a political Joe Banner, rubbing his grubby little hands together while you fools keep funneling money into his bank account. Congrats, you've been had. Hope you at least got that neat little silver bullet key chain that they give you.

[Eagle Road]

What I SEE, is that when you have a situation like Columbine, or Aurora, or Newton, and there's a mass murder by gun, you have a lot of people who start asking for more gun control. When this happens, people like LaPierre, and other agencies like Gun Owners of America, start chirping about Second Amendment rights, always conveniently leaving out the part about a WELL REGULATED MILITIA having the right to bear arms. Nowhere in the Second Amendment does it say that Joe Citizen on Main St. in Anywhere, USA has the right to possess any and every weapon he wants without restriction, much less a military style weapon that is designed solely for the purpose of killing a whole bunch of people in a little bit of time.

Then these assholes start using fear and lies and telling the American people that a background check is only the first step to taking away everyone's guns like this is England. They turn the volume on the fear machine up to 11, and start re-hashing that asinine, douchebag quote about prying their gun from their cold dead hands. People get scared off of this bullshit, and start signing up for an NRA membership at $1,000 a pop, and all the while LaPierre is like a political Joe Banner, rubbing his grubby little hands together while you fools keep funneling money into his bank account. Congrats, you've been had. Hope you at least got that neat little silver bullet key chain that they give you.

Ahh, you paint with a very wide brush, I am NOT an NRA member, NEVER have been. I own exactly ONE gun, an antique rifle that my grandfather willed to me when he passed.

If YOU want to have a healthy discussion about this, I am all ears, but do me one favor before you go any further, please brush up on what a well "REGULATED" militia means.

Hint, it's NOT what you think!

[Eagle In Ohio]

Congress is charged with funding and training the militia

Again, nowhere does it say that every single citizen can possess whatever weapon he/she wants with no restrictions.

[bk]

Come on Eagle Road, I'm clearly not saying the FBI stats are wrong; it's the spin put on them in the article. And just to clarify, my post has nothing to do with gun laws, but everything to do with spinning stats.

Just to pick one point out, although there are more -- the article stated "Since the gun ban was struck down, murders in the District have steadily gone down, from 186 in 2008 to 88 in 2012, the lowest number since the law was enacted in 1976."

Isn't it conceivable that other factors are in play NOT related to the gun ban or criminals fearing citizens are packing?

Coincidentally, also in 2008, DC police instituted a controversial program designed to deter crime through a system of police checkpoints in neighborhoods particularly affected by violence. The program operated by stopping cars entering a police-designated area; officers then turned away those individuals who did not live or have business in the neighborhood. Despite protests by residents, the MPD claimed the checkpoints to be a successful tool in preventing violent crime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

To go one step further, the article concedes that, despite the gun ban being lifted in 2008, the "...it should be noted that the gun murders started decreasing in 1994."

What could possibly point to that decrease? Per the same wiki cite above, "Washington, D.C., has tried a number of other strategies to deal with gun violence. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police Department conducted Operation Ceasefire, a gun-violence crackdown initiative involving intense gun law enforcement, in conjunction with the United States Attorney's Office. This initiative resulted in seizure of 282 firearms in its first four months, mainly 9mm, .380 ACP, and .25 ACP pistols, and .38 caliber revolvers, most of which were purchased in Maryland and Virginia."

[Riccardo]

I saw this post several times today and thought it said NBA youth day

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[common wealth]

According to the interpretation by the Supreme Court, the 2nd amendment "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home"

That doesn't mean there shouldn't be restrictions, however.