How about the OSU Prez

[JuTMSY4]

that's far george

that's scientific. for what its worth, most that I know DID.

then again, I never did a PhD because I'm not a hard sciences guy and frankly most liberal arts PhDs are a fools errand. However, I did a few quick searches:

First, I realize this is a blog, but the source seems credible:

http://phdtips.blogspot.com/2009/03/...hd-degree.html

I'm trying to give full disclosure on the quote, but that deal seems pretty fair to me...

It is true that most doctoral programs offer full tuition waiver and some sort of a stipend (usually around $20,000 per year). Before you accept an offer from a PhD program, you have to consider some of the factors that don't seem to be obvious. First of all, you really have to "read the small font". Just like car saleswoman, your prospective school may be playing dirty tricks with you. For example, full tuition waiver may not include "other fees". So you may still end up paying 1-2K for tuition per semester. Also, there may be a "as long as the student is in a good academic standing". This may mean that you will get the support for up to four years. Since most PhD students do not graduate withing 4 years, you may be facing a very real possibility of paying full, "out of state" tuition for the last year or two of you studies.... In the worst case scenario, this may be around 6K per "long" semester. Usually, there are ways to get around this. But it will cost you a lot of time and nerves to extend your financial support beyond what is considered by the school a "normal" length of a program.

This is the first one that popped up for "PhD Program costs"

http://sils.unc.edu/programs/graduate/phd/cost

Most doctoral students receive a tuition waiver and a stipend. Students work for the school as either research assistants (assisting a faculty member or research project) or teaching fellows (teaching introductory classes). Competitive fellowships are also available from SILS, the Graduate School, and external organizations. These awards provide larger stipends, require less service, or both.

[JuTMSY4]

Sorry, I misspoke professor. I meant to say median instead of mean. Doesn't change the fact that Gee is an overpaid douchebag. Or the fact that TAs are somewhat akin to slave labor.

While I appreciate the sentiment, I didn't mean any offense. I'm sure i've railed on real teachers on here before and my thoughts, but in my opinion they're not nearly as bad as the academic ivory towers that take advantage of students after high school. When someone can explain to me what all those administrators do and why various professors are paid so much without providing value to students (who pay), I'm in.

I'm convinced that at least half of any faculty for a professional preparation school (business, engineering, nursing or grad schools like law) can use at least half adjunct faculty - you know, the people who are actually in the profession and doing real things.

[IronEagle]

Gee is a fundraiser. He's raised over a billion dollars for OSU. Therefore, he'd have to be caught with a dead woman or a live boy, maybe, to be replaced.

Valid point. However that doesn't change my opinion that he's more than a bit of a douche and a useful target for those who want to keep educator's salaries low.

[IronEagle]

While I appreciate the sentiment, I didn't mean any offense. I'm sure i've railed on real teachers on here before and my thoughts, but in my opinion they're not nearly as bad as the academic ivory towers that take advantage of students after high school. When someone can explain to me what all those administrators do and why various professors are paid so much without providing value to students (who pay), I'm in.

I'm convinced that at least half of any faculty for a professional preparation school (business, engineering, nursing or grad schools like law) can use at least half adjunct faculty - you know, the people who are actually in the profession and doing real things.

You learned it all by yourself! Ayn Rand would be proud of you!

[RSE]

I don't know. Gee may have a Ph.D but in all likelihood hasn't been a professor for a long time. And supposing his salary is a million dollars a year, I think the people of Ohio would gladly pay that to a guy who raises 100 million dollars for the state university annually. JoePa made a boatload but, economically, he was worth it.

[IronEagle]

I don't know. Gee may have a Ph.D but in all likelihood hasn't been a professor for a long time. And supposing his salary is a million dollars a year, I think the people of Ohio would gladly pay that to a guy who raises 100 million dollars for the state university annually. JoePa made a boatload but, economically, he was worth it.

I don't need Gordon Gee to entice me to give to Cornell. I give because I want to give back to the institution which provided me with the skills to have my career.

[RSE]

With all due respect, Gordon Gee's job would not be to get you to give to Cornell (without getting into issues of endowments and fundraising at private universities versus public ones). It would be to get your employer to give.

[IronEagle]

With all due respect, Gordon Gee's job would not be to get you to give to Cornell (without getting into issues of endowments and fundraising at private universities versus public ones). It would be to get your employer to give.

That Polish joke Gee told was a real knee slapper. I stand by my opinion that he is an overpaid douche.

[Eagle In Ohio]

An embarassment

That guy should just keep his friggin yap shut. He thinks he's a damn comedian, and he's anything but. If he does some ish like this again, he'll be out of here.

[RSE]

Oh, he is undoubtedly an entitled douchebag.

[TerpEagle]

we can quibble over secondary education, but post-secondary?

This might be a little outdated, but:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/money...apshots/2.html

It's hard to group together all college professors. An English professor at a small liberal arts school isn't going to earn anything near what a business professor who is part of a major MBA program or an engineering professor at a major research university earns. They're probably not going to do nearly the same job either.

One can more likely focus on teaching and perhaps some publication while the other is effectively running a research department of a business with multiple employees and projects.

[Irish George]

what took you so long?

You should have been in this thread days ago.

[3rd & Inches]

You should have been in this thread days ago.

He's supposed to resign at the end of the month according to my sources...no homo.