Linc renovations aka fixing the fuck ups

[RSE]

Whenever I hear the Kelly Greens and Refs of the world speak about how glorious a football stadium the Linc is, I know they've never sat in the lower bowl behind a 5' 8" tall person.

[FuriousXGeorge]

From those images it appears they are partially filling in the hole in the SW corner of the stadium. I totally approve of that. That location was a perfect place for somebody to launch a rocket launcher terrorist attack off of I-95!

I'm curious about these new seats. Will they require PELs? Even though I am in the lower level, some of the seats in the new areas will probably have a much better view because of the terrible pitch and the way seats are laid out in my section.

Anybody have opinions on section 104? Family is considering buying some tickets there.

[IronEagle]

Anybody have opinions on section 104? Family is considering buying some tickets there.

I would take seats in 104 over my current seats, for which the Eagles charge the same ticket price.

Number of reasons: They are on the shady side of the stadium. They are closer to the tailgayte parking. They are on the Eagles side of the field.

[The Ref]

Whenever I hear the Kelly Greens and Refs of the world speak about how glorious a football stadium the Linc is, I know they've never sat in the lower bowl behind a 5' 8" tall person.

I never once said the Linc was glorious. I did say that The Vet was a shithole. And it was. Almost from the beginning.

But go ahead and read into something I never said. It's common around here.

[The Ref]

It's really sad to see people believe the Eagles have different motivation than 31 other NFL franchises. Their ticket and concession prices are in line with 31 other teams. PSL's, the whole nine yards. As recently as 2011 the Eagles came in below league average for the cost of four tickets, two beers, four sodas, four hot dogs, two ball caps, a program, and parking.

In my view the main contributor to blocking the average fan from attending has been the league opening their arms to legal ticket scalpers. That changed the game forever. And it can't be undone.

The double edge sword is selling tickets to some games allows season ticket holders a way to make the numbers work for their own personal budget. But that's predicated on the team playing meaningful games late into the year. If the team sucks, your tickets aren't worth face value. If they're vying for the playoffs, you can double or triple your investment by selling to rich people. When the team sucks, you sell to rich fans of the opponent. Which changes the dynamic at the Linc when so many seats in the stadium are fans of the other team.

Either way, legal scalpers has made attending games completely out of reach for the normal fan. So the stadium experience sucks when you drop 2k just to attend a game with your family or a coupla friends.

[IronEagle]

It's really sad to see people believe the Eagles have different motivation than 31 other NFL franchises. Their ticket and concession prices are in line with 31 other teams. PSL's, the whole nine yards. As recently as 2011 the Eagles came in below league average for the cost of four tickets, two beers, four sodas, four hot dogs, two ball caps, a program, and parking.

In my view the main contributor to blocking the average fan from attending has been the league opening their arms to legal ticket scalpers. That changed the game forever. And it can't be undone.

The double edge sword is selling tickets to some games allows season ticket holders a way to make the numbers work for their own personal budget. But that's predicated on the team playing meaningful games late into the year. If the team sucks, your tickets aren't worth face value. If they're vying for the playoffs, you can double or triple your investment by selling to rich people. When the team sucks, you sell to rich fans of the opponent. Which changes the dynamic at the Linc when so many seats in the stadium are fans of the other team.

Either way, legal scalpers has made attending games completely out of reach for the normal fan. So the stadium experience sucks when you drop 2k just to attend a game with your family or a coupla friends.

I think the NFL is on the verge of pricing itself out of existence.

In my Spanish class last week, in on exercise there was a sentence: "Ës una vergünza que los futbolistas ganen tanto dinero."

This basically translates to "It's shameful athletes make so much money".

We had to agree or disagree with this statement and give reasons why. One woman disagreed, saying that athletes earn the money because people pay them.

Then this younger (than me) guy (I'd say he's about 30) says he refuses to pay money to go to a sporting event because it costs too much and it's a waste of money for entertainment. Basically he can get a better deal elsewhere. I found this interesting because from ealier discussion I know this guy likes to play basketball.

This is anecdotal but I bet there are a lot of younger people who feel the same way as he does.

[BigSlizz]

I disagree about ticket and concession prices being consistent with all 31 teams. Maybe it's consistent for the bigger markets, but Tampa, Miami, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and I'm sure many others have some pretty attractive prices.

My tickets cost $25/game. And they have $5 12 oz. beers, and free refills on soda and popcorn.

[The Ref]

I disagree about ticket and concession prices being consistent with all 31 teams. Maybe it's consistent for the bigger markets, but Tampa, Miami, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and I'm sure many others have some pretty attractive prices.

My tickets cost $25/game. And they have $5 12 oz. beers, and free refills on soda and popcorn.

Google it. Eagles prices are below league average for a game experience I outlined as of 2011. Tickets, parking, beer, soda, etc. You're basically saying that if the Eagles aren't the rock bottom lowest, then Jeff Lurie is a money grubbing asshole.

Lastly, Tampa, Miami, Jacksonville, and St Louis have some pretty unattractive teams. Coincidence? And they still play to empty seats.

[The Ref]

Young poor people have never attended high priced entertainment events going back decades. That changes when they get better jobs and higher maintenance girlfriends as they get older.

[BigSlizz]

Let's set the smaller/struggling markets aside for a second, then, and agree that football games are expensive in general. As more renovations and builds happen around the league, these prices are not going to go down, no matter where you're buying your tickets.

The notion that it's not a good value for entertainment would only increase. And for that, the league is going to have a HUGE problem on its hands.

[Riccardo]

believe it or not, ref is right

even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn...

http://www.fancostexperience.com/pages/fcx/blog_pdfs/entry0000018_pdf000.pdf

[IronEagle]

Young poor people have never attended high priced entertainment events going back decades. That changes when they get better jobs and higher maintenance girlfriends as they get older.

This guy's not poor. He's a nurse in NYC which is a solid middle class job.

He's also got enough money to shell out $450 for a ten week Spanish class.

[The Ref]

Let's set the smaller/struggling markets aside for a second, then, and agree that football games are expensive in general. As more renovations and builds happen around the league, these prices are not going to go down, no matter where you're buying your tickets.

The notion that it's not a good value for entertainment would only increase. And for that, the league is going to have a HUGE problem on its hands.

On this post, I agree. The NFL is pricing fans below upper middle class out of the stadium experience.

Going to a baseball game is still the middle class sports experience most within reach. You can even attend two or three every season. Seems like a more or less normal night out in line with going to a movie or dinner. You can get Dodgers game tickets for as low as 6 bucks. In LA, might be the best bang for any entertainment buck.

Might have to dodge a few bullets or fight off lunks in the parking lot. But it's a cheap night out.

[CbEagle]

$75 to park at Jerruhs palace, woohooo keep fucking those douchebags up the ass!

[The Ref]

This guy's not poor. He's a nurse in NYC which is a solid middle class job.

He's also got enough money to shell out $450 for a ten week Spanish class.

I know people, young and old, rich and poor, who wouldn't attend a live sporting event even if it's free. Not everyone would commit precious leisure time to it.