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    CBS/AP/ June 19, 2013, 8:56 AM
    TWA Flight 800 gets another look 17 years later

    Air safety officials stand in the hangar where the remains of TWA Flight 800 have been re-assembled at the National Transportation Safety Board(NTSB) training facility July 16, 2008, in Ashburn, Virginia. / GETTY IMAGES
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    NEW YORK Former investigators of the TWA Flight 800 crash off Long Island are calling on the National Transportation Safety Board to re-examine the case.

    The retired investigators claim that findings were "falsified." A documentary on the subject is coming out in July.


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    1996: TWA Flight 800 Crashed
    The 1996 crash of the Paris-bound flight killed 230 people.

    Initial speculation ranged from maintenance problems to a bomb and even a meteorite. Some critics theorized that a Navy missile accidentally brought down the jetliner.

    The NTSB concluded that Flight 800 was destroyed by a center fuel tank explosion, probably caused by a spark from a short-circuit in the wiring.

    The agency said Wednesday its four-year probe remains one of its "most detailed investigations."

    "The TWA Flight 800 investigation lasted four years...Investigators took great care reviewing, documenting and analyzing facts and data and held a five-day hearing to gather additional facts before determining the probable cause of the accident during a two-day Board meeting," the NTSB said in a statement.

    The board said it would review any petition it receives from the documentary's producers, however they added in their statement that the petition for reevaluating the investigation "must be based on the discovery of NEW evidence or on a showing that the Board's findings are erroneous."

    Mark Rosenker, a former NTSB chairman and current CBS News contributor, said he stood by the findings of the initial investigation, and that he saw nothing during his more than six years with the NTSB to indicate their findings were false.

    An entire global team representing investigators from France, UK, and even observers from Russia joined in to find out what happened. US agencies included: FBI,CIA, FAA, ATF, NASA, Coast Guard, NYAir Guard, US Navy all helped in either the investigation or the challenging recovery. Even a British Defense agency assisted in examining and demonstrating that no missile brought this aircraft down," Rosenker said.

    The crash happened when the Internet was still in its infancy, and it became one of the first stories fueled by online speculation and conspiracy theories. For some, the findings of the NTSB were never satisfactory.

    CBS News correspondent Bob Orr, who covered the story closely during the four-year investigation, said in a 2006 conversation with a CNET reporter it became known as the "grassy knoll in the sky."

    The problem was that certain rumors could not be shot down or proven one way or another easily - or quickly, said Orr, because investigators couldn't prove a negative. "It probably took close to a year before sources I trusted could say definitively, 'we know a navy missile didn't shoot it down.' But the best they could do for a long time was say, 'that doesn't fit with the evidence we have.'"

    In the Flight 800 investigation, Orr said "we were always looking for that 'Eureka' piece of damage ... the one [piece of wreckage] that would reveal the cause of the blast. But, they never found that 'Eureka' piece, because there wasn't one."

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      this guy swears it was a Navy missile

      Pierre Salinger

      http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=2265
      Last edited by T.D-Bag; 06-19-2013, 06:59 PM.

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      • #4
        Ten rows of the plane were covered in PETN

        It was reported everywhere, the FBI and NTSB confirmed it in multiple press conferences. Then, three days later, a story about the plane's interior being soaked in explosive residue for a dog training exercise in St. Louis was concocted.

        The official story of a spontaneous combustion of the center fuel tank was not only absurd... the concept was more horrifying than any terrorist attack, which TWA 800 absolutely was.

        But the big question isn't what happened. The question is why such a poorly thrown together cover story was so necessary.

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        • #5
          I always dismiss conspiracy theories by the government based on common sense. Far, far, far too many people are inside these investigations for not one of them to come clean by a guilty conscience. As opposed to 15 years later when they need money and/or attention.

          It's bullshit. Completely and utterly. Airplanes are complex machines. They fuck up every now and then despite the best efforts to keep them maintained. (edited to add that the track record of the aviation industry is remarkable. It's a minor miracle there aren't more crashes. Superior engineering and a system of checks and balances that are unparalleled)

          It was 13,000 feet in the air when it exploded. Too high for a rag-tag terrorist to hit with a surface to air missile. And the shoulder held ones can't even get that high according to the reporter in the link below. So I suppose it was the US Navy that shot it down... And then you'd have a couple hundred sailors who wouldn't keep quiet about it. No Way No How! Then ask why the US Navy would shoot down a commercial plane? It's just stupid as hell to fall for these conspiracy theories. Unless you're wearing a tin foil hat.

          http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...7-years-later/
          Last edited by The Ref; 06-20-2013, 11:56 PM.

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          • #6
            The Marine corps Lt. is wrong.

            He says that because the plane was at 13000 feet, a shoulder fired missile couldn't have reached it.

            This Wiki article says he's wrong, and that the shoulder fired stinger was effective up to 13500 feet.

            Oh, and Ref is wrong too. How about that? A jarhead and ref in the same boat. Whodda figured?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger
            John Erlichman, one of President Richard Nixon's closest aides, has admitted America's "War on Drugs" was a hoax designed to vilify and disrupt "the antiwar left and black people" when it was launched in 1971.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Loki View Post
              He says that because the plane was at 13000 feet, a shoulder fired missile couldn't have reached it.

              This Wiki article says he's wrong, and that the shoulder fired stinger was effective up to 13500 feet.

              Oh, and Ref is wrong too. How about that? A jarhead and ref in the same boat. Whodda figured?

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger
              Pardon me if I'll believe professional investigators conducting what everyone agrees was a transparent investigation in a hangar open to any credentialed journalist over a Wikipedia entry.


              Tin foil hats are easy to make.

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                "If I was racist in my opinion of QB's, I wouldn't have a dog named Donovan." - downundermike

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Melchior View Post
                  hahaha, I miss when that show was new and good.

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                  • #10
                    I just watched this documentary today. Pretty damning stuff.

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                    • #11
                      As the documentary points out, and as any military officer familiar with missile ordinance (one was an eye-witness) would know but most journalists or Refs wouldn't, there are two types of missiles -- ones that explode on contact with a target, and ones that explode in the vicinity of a target. Some missiles explode nearby. The media put down the missile theory by saying that there are no holes in one side and out the other of the fuselage, when experts say that the damage to the aircraft, particularly the left wing, was absolutely consistent with an explosion of missile ordinance nearby.

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