GASLAND Fracking in PA OT

[Riccardo]

interesting, so micro-earthquakes can occur with any similar activity

If that's the only real issue with fracking, then so what?

The source behind the explanation of the science (or part of the science being provided) is the concern. Anything directly from the industry is going to draw strong skepticism from me. They obviously have an agenda to keep their business interests going.

The agenda of the people who live where fracking is occurring is not to be killed or have their property damaged. Which is agenda more interested in the truth?

You omitted the key topic of this discussion - which is: the agenda of the "documentary" film maker. Are they interested in the truth or just making a name for themselves and therefore more money? Answer is pretty obvious to me...

[TerpEagle]

If that's the only real issue with fracking, then so what?



You omitted the key topic of this discussion - which is: the agenda of the "documentary" film maker. Are they interested in the truth or just making a name for themselves and therefore more money? Answer is pretty obvious to me...

Your'e working from the opinion that any documentary filmmaker is in it only for the money. I'm working from the opinion that industry (especially the energy industry) will skirt what laws and regulations it can for as long as it can and therefore is only in it for the money. I base that on a long history of industry fucking people over and manipulating information for as long as possible until enough of a fuss was made to stop/slow them i.e. strip mining, waste disposal, emissions, smoking, etc.

Regardless, we're not going to come to any sort of agreement. I find it interesting that you brush off 5.0+ earthquakes as a so-what to fracking and drilling. While they're not toppling large buildings, it represents a pretty significant effect on the environment and geology of the planet by humans. Of course, what else could humans possibly do to affect the environment, amiright?

Secondly, it's not the ONLY issue. There are other issues, that's one that happened to be published yesterday.

But hey, so what. The earth is getting warmer. We're adding a few more small earthquakes to the count. We're re-focusing on a different fossil fuel that's "greener" because of emissions but not necessarily extraction. No biggie.

[Brandonn]

Fox is an alarmist using junk science for a good cause, its still junk science and he will discredit anti fracking movements for years.

There's nothing I like less than bad arguments for a view that I hold dear.
- Daniel Dennett

[udontknowme]

If that's the only real issue with fracking, then so what?



You omitted the key topic of this discussion - which is: the agenda of the "documentary" film maker. Are they interested in the truth or just making a name for themselves and therefore more money? Answer is pretty obvious to me...

Documentaries aren't exactly big money makers.

I don't know enough about fracking to have a definitive position....but I sure as hell wouldn't want it in my backyard or town, would you?

[Riccardo]

Michael Moore wannabes

How much has Moore made on "documentaries"?

[IronEagle]

How much has Moore made on "documentaries"?

Exception that proves the rule.

[udontknowme]

How much has Moore made on "documentaries"?

Probably not dick compared to Steven Spielberg. See how stupid that is, picking on of the more successful people in a genre to make a point?

You didn't answer my question, would you want a fracking operation in your town or backyard?

[CCPete]

Since I have investments in companies that use fracking operations and others that support the fracking process ....specifically the sale of Proppants to the Frac operators (did you know that there are 1000s of tons of sand that are also sent down the well with the fluids that are needed to keep the fractures open so product can continue to flow?). ......I hope for a favorable resolution and fracking can be considered a valuable and safe way to produce oil and gas in the U.S.

But we shouldn't condemn the people who try to bring to light the problems with the fracking process. We need to have both sides of the story. The industry has billions of dollars and they control the spin. They tried to sandbag this whole thing for years until there was enough evidence to take the potential problems seriously and force the needed research. Lets support the research and full disclosure and identify and resolve the problems with the fracking process. Because there ARE problems.

[Riccardo]

I said "wannabe"

nm

[Riccardo]

The clown is worth 50 mill

It's like saying the CEO of a fortune 100 company is a chump because he's no Warren Buffet - absurd comparison.

To answer your other question, I wouldn't care if fracking was happening in my area.

[J_Cuz31]

It's like saying the CEO of a fortune 100 company is a chump because he's no Warren Buffet - absurd comparison.

You're ridiculous, dude.

It's one thing to go against the claims in the film. You made a point on that. Maybe not a particularly strong one, but a point with a bit of validity. But to now go and discredit an independent filmmaker as an agenda-driven, money whore, while absolving the fracking industry from being agenda-driven money whores is actually the only "absurd comparison."

Step away from this and I think you'll see where your reasoning went completely and uttery off the rails.

[The Duck]

Making money at the box-office isn't always the goal

Take a relatively expensive feature film like "Promised Land", for example. The UAE government didn't finance the film because they thought a movie about the ill-effects of hydaulic fracturing was going to be a huge hit. They financed it as a part of a larger influence campaign designed to curb domestic energy production so the UAE and other OPEC nations can maintain their license to print money. China and India are great emerging markets, but America is still where their bread is buttered, and they intend to keep it that way.

[Riccardo]

good lord

You actually believe he documentary film makers are only interested in telling the truth, and have no interest in making money? Are you serious?? I never said the fracking industry was "absolved" nor that they are not in it to make money, of course they are. My only points have been that the science/truth appears to be on the fracking industry's side, and not on the "documentary" film maker.

[Drama Queen]

What type of chemicals are they using? Back in the 40's they used what is basically. napalm

[IronEagle]

What type of chemicals are they using? Back in the 40's they used what is basically. napalm

Just keep that shit out of the watershed that supplies NYC. That's all I ask.

Imagine the economic consequence if the water supply for NYC were to be contaminated. I expect to be out of the area by the time that would be recognized but still...

The whole fracking operations seem to me to be yet another example of privatizing the profits and socializing the risks. Pretty common in our version of "capitalism".