Zimmerman not guilty

[TerpEagle]

See, you don't know that he didn't just ask that. You don't know that Martin didn't just say, "what the fuck, man?" The only person who knows what happened between Martin hanging up his call and getting shot is Zimmerman.

I understand the verdict. I really do.

But there is one irrefutable thing that would have kept Martin alive: Zimmerman not cowboying up and and provoking a response.

Trayvon Martin didn't go looking for trouble that night. George Zimmerman did.

-AE

I agree with this. I don't think Zimmerman is a cold blooded killer who was looking to kill a black kid.

I think he's a complete fucking idiot and his idiocy ended up with a child being killed by his hand. In my totally non-expert legal opinion that sounds like manslaughter.

Being stupid and unable to fight off someone you pick a fight with shouldn't exonerate a person from taking the life of another.

[TerpEagle]

You state what I don't know but go on to assume not based in facts something that you know. "Trayvon Martin didn't go looking for trouble that night. George Zimmerman did." I only pasted the first part of your statement so it was in context but what evidence exists to stay definitively that George Zimmerman went looking for trouble that night?

Zimmerman's self-appointed job was to look for trouble.

[TerpEagle]

If TM goes to his residence instead of a position where he can attack another person he is alive today.
If TM hangs up and calls 911 he is alive today.
If TM hangs up and calls his dad he is alive today.
If TM physically attacks a man without provocation who also has a legal right to be where he is and do what he was doing which by the way there is no proof of pursuit or of following, then he paid the ultimate price.

Why do you judge all of GZ actions as negative and TM as pure? Why infer to one side all the time? Many small changes on both sides could have easily avoided a 17 year old young man from dying. When presented with all the facts a jury decided he acted in self-defense. This was a group of specially selected competent people who were determined through voir dire to be of the correct moral values to judge him.

If TM attacked GM without the 911 call in broad daylight and GM shot him would that be justified?

Do you blame women who get raped as well?

[3rd & Inches]

what part of GA you grow up in? i am downtown ATL and Jonesboro/stockbridge area when i visit family.

I was in Marrietta from 86-89. East Point/College Park 91-93. Lithonia (stone mountain) 94-96. Valdosta 98-99. Riverdale (next to the airport) 2005-2007.

I move around alot haha.

[3rd & Inches]

Do you blame women who get raped as well?

Exactly. They should swallow their pride and only wear pantsuits, or they should expect to be raped. "Swallow your pride, tuck those titties in women!"- Rdog

[rdog5]

Zimmerman's self-appointed job was to look for trouble.

Thats similar to me saying your self-appointed job is to instigate because you don't actually believe what you are typing. I have nothing to prove this but its what I think so therefore I get to say its true.

Simply use the facts there absolute and use them. You would not appreciate others judging your intent strictly on their own interpretation of a 30 second period of your life. Different decisions on both sides would have avoided a tragedy but to judge not based on factual evidence and your gut of a person you don't even know is dangerous.

[rdog5]

Do you blame women who get raped as well?

Don't understand your reason to take simple logic and twist it to your benefit. If a woman was concerned that she was being followed by a rapist, then chose to circle around and attack said rapist when she had an ability to escape and avoid the situation, I would say that she could look back on the situation and realize she could have made better decisions to avoid it. Even when you are 100% correct, you can still look back and see how you could have done something to avoid the situation you were in. Thats why hindsigth is 20/20.

The problem is if you say TM could have done something different to avoid the situation, then you are labeled as a racist or uncaring or any other name someone wants to give you.

I have typed this several times and it hasn't been answered yet. If TM attacked GZ without any provocation in broad daylight and GZ shot him as a result would he be justified based on his injuries?

[rdog5]

Exactly. They should swallow their pride and only wear pantsuits, or they should expect to be raped. "Swallow your pride, tuck those titties in women!"- Rdog

The irony is you complain about being judged all the while you are judging?

[TerpEagle]

Don't understand your reason to take simple logic and twist it to your benefit. If a woman was concerned that she was being followed by a rapist, then chose to circle around and attack said rapist when she had an ability to escape and avoid the situation, I would say that she could look back on the situation and realize she could have made better decisions to avoid it. Even when you are 100% correct, you can still look back and see how you could have done something to avoid the situation you were in. Thats why hindsigth is 20/20.

The problem is if you say TM could have done something different to avoid the situation, then you are labeled as a racist or uncaring or any other name someone wants to give you.

I have typed this several times and it hasn't been answered yet. If TM attacked GZ without any provocation in broad daylight and GZ shot him as a result would he be justified based on his injuries?

Even if a victim could have done something different that doesn't mean he/she is no longer a victim. Leaving my door unlocked doesn't make a car thief any less of a thief.

Personally, I try to avoid violent or physical confrontation when at all possible but (in the great state of Florida) you legally don't have an obligation to retreat if you feel threatened and perhaps Martin was simply exercising his rights.

Would Martin have benefited from running back home as fast as he could? Probably - but should he have known that some guy was going to shoot him if he tried to defend himself? You want to talk about the "facts" but you're bringing up hypothetical arguments of what could have happened if something else were done.

Using Zimmerman's personal account of what transpired is dubious because, unfortunately, there is no other side of the story from the victim. So where's what we know.

Zimmerman was armed. He was not an officer of the law. He reported a suspicious person and followed him for at least a short period of time. He verbally exhibited angst towards the suspicious person and then somehow got into an altercation with him.

As I said before - I don't think he's a cold blooded killer. I doubt his acts were driven by racism (possibly racial prejudice based on previous instances but not malicious intent). But, he did decide to arm himself in a community with children. And his killed one of them.

Does that make him guilty of murder? Apparently not. But I think he holds some responsibility for this death. He wanted to arm himself with a deadly weapon. Well, there are consequences for taking that risk.

Not to totally go off on a tangent, but it's another case where being armed with a gun likely escalated a situation more than was necessary.

[Mississippi-Fan]

Doesn't the Law Still State:

Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt;
The Prosecution must prove their charges to meet this requirement to the Jury!
They didn't!
Jury finds for the defendant:
Case Closed!
Based on an individual's Preconceived notions, this result is Fair or Not Fair!

[TerpEagle]

The guy followed someone briefly so he deserved to get his ass kicked? He also said Martin told him his was going to die tonight. The fact that Martin circled around and came back for a confrontation tells me he was serious.

Zimmerman did offer a lot of detail on what happened. What did Martin have to say about how things went down?

[noguano]

Zimmerman's self-appointed job was to look for trouble.

In his lower middle class neighborhood that had an increase in criminal activity. These are paycheck to paycheck people just trying to keep what they have. My neighborhood is much the same.

[Ellsworth]

you can say that again (the 'I'm not a lawyer' part)

the rest of your post i didn't read.

[JuTMSY4]

Don't understand your reason to take simple logic and twist it to your benefit.

It's like you've never seen a trial or read a pleading.

[3rd & Inches]

Using Zimmerman's personal account of what transpired is dubious because, unfortunately, there is no other side of the story from the victim.

Thank you Terp. In dog's world, because the jury found Zimm not guilty, everything out of Zim's mouth was the truth.