Zimmerman not guilty

[Drama Queen]

Hahaha!

PUNCHED!

[3rd & Inches]

What the fuck is happening in Florida DQ?

It's open season on a brotha. People shooting each other for bullshit reasons and then claiming self defense.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1209345

[3rd & Inches]

This happened a while ago, but damn, they need to re-think that fucking law.

[Drama Queen]

Riccardo could tell you....

Jeb Bush's signed in law makes it easier for people to shot and claim self defense. It's gone up 3 fold since he signed the law.

[Diggle]

clam shells at women. never happened.

[Melchior]

I think people need to take the advice of Craig's dad:

[rdog5]

Even if a victim could have done something different that doesn't mean he/she is no longer a victim. Leaving my door unlocked doesn't make a car thief any less of a thief.

I agree 100%

Personally, I try to avoid violent or physical confrontation when at all possible but (in the great state of Florida) you legally don't have an obligation to retreat if you feel threatened and perhaps Martin was simply exercising his rights.

in the process of exercising those right you assume certain potential outcomes and anytime you engage in a physical altercation there is always the potential for death

Would Martin have benefited from running back home as fast as he could? Probably - but should he have known that some guy was going to shoot him if he tried to defend himself? You want to talk about the "facts" but you're bringing up hypothetical arguments of what could have happened if something else were done.

Here is when you bring information into the situation which simply has not been proven. There is no evidence of physical aggression or assaultive behavior on the part of GZ so what was he defending himself against? He had eluded him and was not blocked in anyway from his residence but chose to return and according to court records chose to initiate and engage in a confrontation

Using Zimmerman's personal account of what transpired is dubious because, unfortunately, there is no other side of the story from the victim. So where's what we know.

It may be dubious but to assume things as factual and supportive of your argument that are not proven somehow hold more weight to your argument?

Zimmerman was armed. He was not an officer of the law. He reported a suspicious person and followed him for at least a short period of time. He verbally exhibited angst towards the suspicious person and then somehow got into an altercation with him.

Armed- yes/ Not an officer- Yes/ Reported suspicious- yes/ Followed him- According to court records and testimony which you say is dubious and countered by a lack of evidence or statements which you seem to indicate outweighs GZ's statement/ Angst- Yes/ Altercation- Yes

As I said before - I don't think he's a cold blooded killer. I doubt his acts were driven by racism (possibly racial prejudice based on previous instances but not malicious intent). But, he did decide to arm himself in a community with children. And his killed one of them.

Agree

Does that make him guilty of murder? Apparently not. But I think he holds some responsibility for this death. He wanted to arm himself with a deadly weapon. Well, there are consequences for taking that risk.

Agree and both accounts but holding some responsibility and the consequences are not necessarily negative. Taking a life in self-defense is regrettable but sometimes necessary and a consequence

Not to totally go off on a tangent, but it's another case where being armed with a gun likely escalated a situation more than was necessary.

Or it is a case where a person lawfully and with responsibility exercised his right to defend himself from an alleged assailant. Gun nuts will point to this as justice for their rights and gun control advocates will point and say it supports their case. I have had a couple friends killed by gunfire and have had a couple friends have to take a life with guns through my profession. Its never simple, nice, or makes things better, but its part of our society

[rdog5]

Thank you Terp. In dog's world, because the jury found Zimm not guilty, everything out of Zim's mouth was the truth.

Please review every post and tell me where that was said? Of course you won't because you would rather sit back and judge and then complain when people do the same to you. You simply don't want to discuss factual based information and rather be inflammatory and accusatory. Just because someone shares a different opinion that you doesn't mean that they have to be 100% against you. Feel free to respond and continue with inflammatory remarks and I will choose not to engage because there is simply no benefit.

[3rd & Inches]

Please review every post and tell me where that was said? Of course you won't because you would rather sit back and judge and then complain when people do the same to you. You simply don't want to discuss factual based information and rather be inflammatory and accusatory. Just because someone shares a different opinion that you doesn't mean that they have to be 100% against you. Feel free to respond and continue with inflammatory remarks and I will choose not to engage because there is simply no benefit.

So you are going to STFU then? Good. For the benefit of Igglephans...dismiss yourself.

[McCarthy12]

That really is a humdinger of a post. Nothing says "WTF" like analyzing what rape victims could have "done differently."

Of course there are things TM could have done differently. He could have run from the weird guy following him rather than engage him. But let's not forget one thing: TM was a kid and GZ is a man. So let's look at what the grown man in this situation could have done differently. The wannabe cop could have listened to the big boy responders and waited for the big boy police to get there. He also could have not carried a loaded gun while playing neighborhood watch (!!). So, if we are going to analyze who could have done what differently, forgive me if I attach a little more weight to the grossly negligent actions of grown man than the poor decisions of a scared kid.

[rdog5]

That really is a humdinger of a post. Nothing says "WTF" like analyzing what rape victims could have "done differently."

I will try to be simple since this statement is either a direct attempt to misquote for no reason. I was asked if I blamed the rape victim. If you go through my posts, I am very clear to avoid going about and blaming people but in every situation you are in you can analyze and realize what you could have done better. I have interviewed rape victims who go out with a guy, go reant a hotel room, spend the night together and wake up the next day and claim rape. They are still a victim but any reasonable and rational person can extract from this that they made some decisions that were not in their own best interest

Of course there are things TM could have done differently. Fair enough He could have run from the weird guy displaying you obviously have judged and have an agenda following him rather than engage him. But let's not forget one thing: TM was a kid also displays your bias by calling one guy weird and simply saying he was a kid and GZ is a man. So let's look at what the grown man in this situation could have done differently. The wannabe cop Is wanting to be a cop a bad thing?could have listened to the big boy Displays your bias and agendaresponders and waited for the big boy police to get there. He also could have not carried a loaded gun while playing neighborhood watch (!!). So, if we are going to analyze who could have done what differently, forgive me if I attach a little more weight to the grossly negligent actions of grown man than the poor decisions of a scared kid.

Same sentence with opposite bias:

Of course there are things that GZ could have done differently. He could have stayed in his car rather getting out to give the police a better location. But lets not forget one thing: TM was a 17 year old young man with a propensity for violence and displaying gang signs on social media. The honest neighborhood citizen who is concerned for his neighbor's safety wanted to keep the police up to date about this thugs whereabouts while waiting for police to arrive. Little did he know that some gangbanger was going to attack him that night and smash his head into a sidewalk.

Now this is obviously portrayed in the most negative light to prove a point. I am sure someone will turn around and use this to point something out but I don't believe the above paragraph. It was written strictly to point out how bias and blame can influence a paragraph and subsequently diminish the quality of your message

If you read all my posts I avoid throwing blame around but strictly on the facts that are known, this case is not about race and came down to self-defense.

[JuTMSY4]

There's too much to read - so you believe GZ did nothing wrong and that his homicide was both legally and morally justified?

[3rd & Inches]

There's too much to read - so you believe GZ did nothing wrong and that his homicide was both legally and morally justified?

I can't wait until he breaks down your sentence with highlighted bold font.

[T.D-Bag]

Same sentence with opposite bias:

Of course there are things that GZ could have done differently. He could have stayed in his car rather getting out to give the police a better location. But lets not forget one thing: TM was a 17 year old young man with a propensity for violence and displaying gang signs on social media. The honest neighborhood citizen who is concerned for his neighbor's safety wanted to keep the police up to date about this thugs whereabouts while waiting for police to arrive. Little did he know that some gangbanger was going to attack him that night and smash his head into a sidewalk.

Now this is obviously portrayed in the most negative light to prove a point. I am sure someone will turn around and use this to point something out but I don't believe the above paragraph. It was written strictly to point out how bias and blame can influence a paragraph and subsequently diminish the quality of your message

If you read all my posts I avoid throwing blame around but strictly on the facts that are known, this case is not about race and came down to self-defense.

GZ had a propensity toward violence from assaulting his fiance, and another assault when he was "bouncing" at private parties. Getting arrested for interfering with the police making another arrest. was TM ever arrested?? NO. Now he is alleged to have molested a family member....

[rdog5]

There's too much to read - so you believe GZ did nothing wrong and that his homicide was both legally and morally justified?

I think this is a situation where both parties mistook the intentions of the other party which led to a confrontation with tragic consequences. This case is simply about the assault which apparently was initiated by TM and as such ended by GZ using self-defense which was supported by the court system.

GZ could have done many things different which would have changed the outcome however none of them are required.

Legally justified- yes
Morally justified- That is for him to answer, but nothing suggests he had ill will