only one NFL team has a racial slur for a name

[slag]

So continuing something indecent and offensive is justified based on how long it's existed?

By that logic blacks would still be drinking from different water fountains.

[slag]

It's silly to continue to criticize objections to Redskin as overly extended political correctness.

No team could come into the league and call themselves the "Darkies" with a clear reference to blacks or the "Yellow Horde" clearly referring to Asians.

Therefore, the continued use of RED SKIN in a clear reference to American Indians should be eliminated.

There is no argument that decent human beings can use to justify it.

[SCREAMIN EAGLE]

I never thought to ask him how he felt about the Washington Redskins name.
Ah stah sah sessaway!

Onay Tribal members, Onay

[wynnron123]

So continuing something indecent and offensive is justified based on how long it's existed?

By that logic blacks would still be drinking from different water fountains.

I am just asking a question. It seems that this is the most pressure I've seen from the outside that want the Redskins name changed since 1937.

I still remember back in 95 when Native Americans stood outside of Fulton County stadium protesting the Cleveland Indians and the Atlanta Braves WS. No names were ever changed. They even did the same for Kansas City. No names were ever changed. That's why I asked about the Redskins.

[Eagle Road]

It's silly to continue to criticize objections to Redskin as overly extended political correctness.

No team could come into the league and call themselves the "Darkies" with a clear reference to blacks or the "Yellow Horde" clearly referring to Asians.

Therefore, the continued use of RED SKIN in a clear reference to American Indians should be eliminated.

There is no argument that decent human beings can use to justify it.

Although I agree slag, you are missing my point, every name or affiliation can in some twist be called a racial slur, it just depends on how far one is willing to pursue it.

For instance, how could it be so wrong for "Redskins" to be around for 76 years, but I have yet to hear anyone say a word about Native Americans being called Indians, just because some lost explorer 600 years ago stepped of the boat and thought he was in the West Indies, doesn't make it right to call the indigenous people here "Indians" does it?

In fact, one could take the discussion even further, who/whom says it's ok to label that group of people Native "Americans" they had no idea 600 years ago that someone, somewhere was going to name their land "America", right?

So where do you draw the line?

[Eagle In Ohio]

I disagree

Although I agree slag, you are missing my point, every name or affiliation can in some twist be called a racial slur, it just depends on how far one is willing to pursue it.

For instance, how could it be so wrong for "Redskins" to be around for 76 years, but I have yet to hear anyone say a word about Native Americans being called Indians, just because some lost explorer 600 years ago stepped of the boat and thought he was in the West Indies, doesn't make it right to call the indigenous people here "Indians" does it?

In fact, one could take the discussion even further, who/whom says it's ok to label that group of people Native "Americans" they had no idea 600 years ago that someone, somewhere was going to name their land "America", right?

So where do you draw the line?

How can the Orlando Magic, or Brooklyn Nets, or Seattle Seahawks or Jacksonville Jaguars, or Winnipeg Jets be called racial slurs ? The Redskins name is a slur. It is offensive to native Americans. I know if there was a team nicknamed the Coons, i'd be mad as hell along with the rest of Black america. The biggest question here, is why we as a society care less about the concerns of this country's native people than any other group ?

[slag]

Brave Indian and Chief are not patently offensive.

Nor is Fighting Irish or Viking.

Redskin is a completely separate term.

You would not ask an American Indian who you did not know "are you a redskin?"

But you certainly would ask "are you an Indian?"

Or "were any of your relative braves?"

Or "do you have anyone in your family who was a Chief?"

[Eagle Road]

How can the Orlando Magic, or Brooklyn Nets, or Seattle Seahawks or Jacksonville Jaguars, or Winnipeg Jets be called racial slurs ? The Redskins name is a slur. It is offensive to native Americans. I know if there was a team nicknamed the Coons, i'd be mad as hell along with the rest of Black america. The biggest question here, is why we as a society care less about the concerns of this country's native people than any other group ?

EIO, if you are addressing my post, you misread it, I agree that it is a slur, I said as much in response to slag's post, all I am asking is where does the slur stop, "Native Americans" have been MISLABELED for 600 years.

I have no Native American blood in me that I know of, but for all you or I know, they might not like being compared or thought of as people of India, I would also consider that a slur of sorts.

I would not want to be called an "Indian" if I wasn't.

[slag]

Don't think I missed anything.

You do not have to twist redskin to find it offensive.

[Eagle Road]

Don't think I missed anything.

You do not have to twist redskin to find it offensive.

I agree, redskin is offensive, is not calling them an Indian, at least mislabeling and maybe offensive of that group of people?

[Eagle In Ohio]

You'd have to ask them

I agree, redskin is offensive, is not calling them an Indian, at least mislabeling and maybe offensive of that group of people?

and just like with the term Redskins, if they didn't like it, then the Dolans here in Cleveland need to get to work finding a different name for the baseball team. sad thing is that people here in Cleveland are just as adamant about getting rid of Chief Wahoo, as Foreskin fans are about their team's name. I personally think Chief Wahoo should have been done away with a long time ago.

[SCREAMIN EAGLE]

and just like with the term Redskins, if they didn't like it, then the Dolans here in Cleveland need to get to work finding a different name for the baseball team. sad thing is that people here in Cleveland are just as adamant about getting rid of Chief Wahoo, as Foreskin fans are about their team's name. I personally think Chief Wahoo should have been done away with a long time ago.

Do you feel the ND "Fighting Irish" should be renamed?

[Melchior]

No. Irish is not a slur or derogatory term and "fighting" describes their tenacity and willingness to battle to achieve victory. If they were called the "Fighting Micks" then you might have a point.

The problem with the Redskins is that they chose a Native American logo and a slur towards Native Americans as their name. It's no different than "Washington Savages."

Edit: And enough with the slippery slope argument and false equivalencies. It's nonsense.

[SCREAMIN EAGLE]

No. Irish is not a slur or derogatory term and "fighting" describes their tenacity and willingness to battle to achieve victory. If they were called the "Fighting Micks" then you might have a point.

The problem with the Redskins is that they chose a Native American logo and a slur towards Native Americans as their name. It's no different than "Washington Savages."

Edit: And enough with the slippery slope argument and false equivalencies. It's nonsense.

But what if some interpret it as derogatory (Which many do) and pertains to Irish people who just drink and fight, don't you think it should be changed? There are many people (Native Americans included) who do not feel that "Redskins" is derogatory and I feel that these two situations are very similar.

[wynnron123]

I remember going to Oxford Mississippi to watch my step brother play basketball in 94

The General colonel statue was in front of the school with the Rebel flag. I was wondering how some felt about that. Then I saw the ESPN 30-30 on James Meredith and see how this could be in the same category like the American Natives.