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  • #31
    Originally posted by Diggle View Post
    No but we do eat our share of offal. Having buffalo and wild boar chili tonight.

    Im on a 60 day strict paleo right now combined with a ridiculous strength training program. Besting all my weightlifting prs by 15 lbs ++

    I always get a chuckle out of the LA hipsters who promote a diet that humans ate when few people lived longer than age 30.

    The human race came out of hunting and gathering and became civilized only after mastering grains and farming. Life spans have steadily risen ever since.

    Enjoy the 6-pack abs in your 30's. Enjoy the by-pass in your 50's.
    Last edited by The Ref; 01-26-2014, 09:08 PM.

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    • #32
      Nailed it.
      -Slizz of Wangnutz

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      • #33
        As far as weight loss goes, calorie in/out is all there is to it. That's just simple physics. You can't gain weight when you are taking in less calories than you expend any more than you can drive your car once it is out of gas.

        Now, metabolisms, energy levels, etc can all vary and it might take some adjustment to find the right deficit but if you use more than you eat you will lose weight. Even if all you eat is Twinkies.

        That doesn't mean you will be HEALTHY, because you need the right amount of protein and vitamins to promote health, but you will lose weight.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by FuriousXGeorge View Post
          As far as weight loss goes, calorie in/out is all there is to it. That's just simple physics. You can't gain weight when you are taking in less calories than you expend any more than you can drive your car once it is out of gas.

          Now, metabolisms, energy levels, etc can all vary and it might take some adjustment to find the right deficit but if you use more than you eat you will lose weight. Even if all you eat is Twinkies.

          That doesn't mean you will be HEALTHY, because you need the right amount of protein and vitamins to promote health, but you will lose weight.


          The Twinkies diet plan, FG, I think you should market that, could be a winner!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Eagle Road View Post
            The Twinkies diet plan, FG, I think you should market that, could be a winner!
            It's been done:

            http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...iet.professor/

            Also McDonald's:

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4557698.html

            Demonizing specific foods is the wrong approach, in my experience.

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            • #36
              I endorse clean eating. You endorse being a bloated know it all. Ill outlive you by 20 years
              WANGNUTIAN. (pronounced wang-nooshan, martian)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Diggle View Post
                I endorse clean eating. You endorse being a bloated know it all. Ill outlive you by 20 years
                Scarf down a 40 and a Big Mac for me when the Iggles finally win it 19 years after I die.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Eagle Road View Post

                  I agree the exercise part would really help, but have to admit, after 10-12 hour days, I just can't seem to get into it.
                  I'm pulling for you man, but this seems like a cop-out to me. I work long hours too, but I wake up at 5am during the week to get it done. If you really want it, you can do it. Like I said, it's a lifestyle change.

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                  • #39
                    You CANNOT out-train a bad diet!

                    Food (really lifestyle eating change, as someone mentioned earlier) is the primary way to lose weight and keep it off.

                    Exercise helps, however, I have seen people spend 1+ hours a day on treadmill/elliptical, not modify their diet...and look the same for years.

                    Eating is 70% of weight/body fat loss.
                    Exercise is 30%

                    Most people think it is other way around!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by eagleinx346 View Post
                      Food (really lifestyle eating change, as someone mentioned earlier) is the primary way to lose weight and keep it off.

                      Exercise helps, however, I have seen people spend 1+ hours a day on treadmill/elliptical, not modify their diet...and look the same for years.

                      Eating is 70% of weight/body fat loss.
                      Exercise is 30%

                      Most people think it is other way around!
                      You can do no exercise and lose weight, you just need to take that into account when you set up your calorie goals. You aren't gonna be eating a lot like that, and why should you be? You probably need at least some walking thrown in there to stay truly healthy though.
                      Last edited by FuriousXGeorge; 01-26-2014, 10:52 PM.

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                      • #41
                        True...have done it...

                        However...type of calories do seem to have some effect.

                        I.E. processed carbs muck with blood sugar levels and your body seems to hoard those calories more than "natural" calories...natural calories seem to be processed more efficiently.

                        The premise is true, though, if you burn more than you take in...you will lose weight.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rothdawg View Post
                          I'm pulling for you man, but this seems like a cop-out to me. I work long hours too, but I wake up at 5am during the week to get it done. If you really want it, you can do it. Like I said, it's a lifestyle change.
                          Thanks RD, and your right, it probably is a cop-out, I'm just hoping that by dropping 20 pounds or so with portion control it will get me more motivated.

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                          • #43
                            I'm going to make it real easy for you

                            Delete the exercise piece from your weight loss plan. Exercise barely burns any calories. Look it up. If you run 3 miles, at 10 minutes a mile, you're only going to burn 450 calories. That's A LOT of exercise that you would have to do DAILY just to burn a lousy 450 calories. Do you know how easy it is to ingest 450 calories? Not only that but it would be BORING running 3 miles a day, 7 days a week. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't exercise. I'm just saying that you should simplify the process of losing weight by taking the exercise piece out of it. OK, now what you SHOULD do. Limit your calories to 1500 or less per day. Don't worry. At first it will be difficult to only eat that many calories. You will get used to it after about 2 weeks. Now, cut out practically all carbs and high fat (high calorie) foods (like fried foods). If you want a hamburger, have it. Just do it in moderation and don't have french fries with it. Don't eliminate anything from your diet. Just know how many calories it is and then make the right choices the rest of the day to keep yourself at 1500 calories or less. The problem with these Nutrisystem diets is THEY DO EVERYTHING FOR YOU. You never learn to DO IT FOR YOURSELF. In order to lose the weight AND KEEP IT OFF, you have to learn to do it for yourself and change your eating HABITS. Also, learn to CONCENTRATE on eating. Don't eat while you're watching TV or surfing this message board. If you eat while watching TV, you don't realize that you've eaten and then you'll want to eat again.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by The Ref View Post
                              The human race came out of hunting and gathering and became civilized only after mastering grains and farming. Life spans have steadily risen ever since.
                              Of course modern medicine had absolutely nothing to do with the median life span increase (despite also seeing increases in obesity, cancer, diabetes, etc).

                              I'm not in total agreement with the motivation behind Paleo, but I do share much of its philosophy regarding what food is valuable to the human metabolism. Lean meat, non-starchy veggies, citrus fruit, berries and seeds are all good, healthy fuel. Pop tarts, pasta, and sugary drinks? Not so much.

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                              • #45
                                Don't forget The Queen's Diet.

                                The calories you burn from ejaculating and reproducing sperm is equal to a chocolate cake with french fries and a coke.

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