calling out Phoward 12 separate thread alert

[Irish George]

You seem like a nice guy but when it comes to your attitudes about your team you are a typical Foreskinner.

You cant say you have no dog in the fight and start splitting hairs about who has a right to be pissed off about the name. You cant say you couldnt care less about the name and then say the n word is a slur and the r word is a debate.

you cant say you dont care about the name and want them to keep the logo traditionally associated with the name.

I go back to Slags standard. would you go up to a native american woman holding a baby and say that is a cute r word .... i think not.

As for ridiculous talk bringing the Eagles name into the argument, you are giving strawmen a bad name.

I felt this needed its own thread.

[Eagle In Ohio]

Calling a spade a spade

You seem like a nice guy but when it comes to your attitudes about your team you are a typical Foreskinner.

You cant say you have no dog in the fight and start splitting hairs about who has a right to be pissed off about the name. You cant say you couldnt care less about the name and then say the n word is a slur and the r word is a debate.

you cant say you dont care about the name and want them to keep the logo traditionally associated with the name.

I go back to Slags standard. would you go up to a native american woman holding a baby and say that is a cute r word .... i think not.

As for ridiculous talk bringing the Eagles name into the argument, you are giving strawmen a bad name.

I felt this needed its own thread.

Vintage IG.

[Irish George]

you dont say you have no skin in the game

and then wax poetic qbout what a kickass song hail to the foreskins is;
you dont say you dont care one way or another on the issue and then blather about expressing your views about it on a foreskinner board.

[Clemson Foreaker]

Right you cant argue it

Unless you are a native american, you are not allowed to have a dissenting opinion on the derrogatory name or slur controversy. Unless of course the derrogatory name or slur involves an asain wife of a nfl team owner, then it is perfectly acceptable to refer to her as a chink.

I know the rules seem fuzzy and subject to whimisical application based upon some sort of judgmental insider status and subject to sudden change but in reality that is only a perception. And remember not to call anyone out on said perception as that is a violation of the rules.

[Irish George]

you cant but apparently you can just make up a story

Please show me the post I made that used that word...or for that matter show me the post from anybody on the board who used that word.

And if by chance you find one by anyone else, explain how the post you found justifies use of the R word or demeans the fact the R word is considered a slur by Native Americans.

[Phoward12]

Hey, sorry I missed this, been offline for a few days but I'll do my best to answer, and try to break this down into separate quotes.

You seem like a nice guy but when it comes to your attitudes about your team you are a typical Foreskinner.

Well I thank you for the first part, though you're completely wrong about the second. My relatively neutral stance concerning the name is in fact very different from a lot of Skins fans. The Skins board itself is full of staunch defenders of the name, people who claim they won't buy anymore merchandise and might even stop supporting the team if they give in to pressure. I don't support that line of thinking at all.

You cant say you have no dog in the fight and start splitting hairs about who has a right to be pissed off about the name. You cant say you couldn't care less about the name and then say the n word is a slur and the r word is a debate.

Actually I can, and you should re-read what I said. At no point did I say people can't be pissed off about the name. Shoot, I'm white and I don't like hearing people toss the N-bomb around, it's uncomfortable to hear it get dropped in conversation. But does it truly cut into me? Not really, no, it's never been used against me.

What I did say, was that I want to hear opinions from those whom the word is presumed to be a slur against. You coming up to me and calling me a "Redskin" isn't going to mean anything to me personally, I certainly wouldn't be insulted. In that vein, I pretty much tune out blowhard columnists like Mike Wise (my dislike of him has to do with more than just this issue, for the record) but pay more attention when tribal representatives speak out on the issue. And many have, but there have been many others who have spoken out in support of the name.

That's why I refer to this as a gray area. I pay attention to the dialogue but I don't have any real opinion since there's been so much argument for both sides. As I've stated on multiple occasions, I root for the team because they're the "Washington" team, not because of the mascot. I'll support the team whether they keep the name or change it, so long as they don't change cities.

you cant say you don't care about the name and want them to keep the logo traditionally associated with the name.

Maybe it's just me, but this:



Is much less cartoony and offensive than this:



In fact, considering that it's supposed to have been modeled after a local chief who supported the team (that's third-hand information by this point, I can't attest to its accuracy), I'm not sure it was ever meant as anything other than honorable. If the name was changed to something like Warriors, which would be my first choice, it fits the logo.

I go back to Slags standard. would you go up to a native american woman holding a baby and say that is a cute r word .... i think not.

As for ridiculous talk bringing the Eagles name into the argument, you are giving strawmen a bad name.

Man, you want to talk about strawmen, look in a mirror. Of course I wouldn't say that. I also wouldn't go up to anyone who lives in my neighborhood and say "That is a cute Caucasian", or "A cute American" or "A cute Indian" or anything of the sort. It would be awkward; I'd call it a baby like anyone else. That's far more ridiculous than anything I said.

My Eagles example was only reinforcing my point that I'm not married to the name. Supposing the Eagles decided to change their name for whatever reason, maybe the birds went extinct, who knows. Would you stop supporting them? Of course not, they're still Philly's team. And if a consensus is reached or Snyder decides to change the team name, I wouldn't stop supporting the Skins either. They're still my team regardless of what the mascot is. Makes perfect sense whether you want to agree with it or not.

I felt this needed its own thread.

I'm willing to respond so long as it remains civil, though you'll have to give me a few days here and there; it's pretty busy at work. I have a feeling it won't be for long. As a general rule, this board seems to have made a decision, and that's fine. But so long as my indecision on the issue is going to be used as a hammer against me, we're probably not going to get very far. I welcome any other points or questions you have, however.

[91EaglesD]

It is just you

They're equally offensive.


One of my good friends is Native American and I'm sure he wouldn't find the less "cartoony" logo less offensive. It's the principle of the matter.

[slag]

You're argument in response to the idea that nobody with any class would call a baby a redskin is silly.

Do you seriously think any owner would propose, or get approval for, calling a team the Caucasians.

Which makes the point.

[SCREAMIN EAGLE]

Please show me the post I made that used that word...or for that matter show me the post from anybody on the board who used that word.

And if by chance you find one by anyone else, explain how the post you found justifies use of the R word or demeans the fact the R word is considered a slur by Native Americans.

http://igglephans.com/iggboard/showt...ighlight=chink

http://igglephans.com/iggboard/showt...ighlight=chink

http://igglephans.com/iggboard/showt...ighlight=chink

[Mt Iggle]

This is all interesting to me (not the Redskins name) as you all say "Native Americans".
Here, where we have lots of "real - or whatever you want to say" Indians, which I refer to as relatively recently put on Reservations, history is not that long ago. When I taught 7th Grade on the Blackfoot Reservation in the 70's, a lot of students had Great Grandparents(some said Grand Parents), who had fought the white man. They then, and still do, hate the Crow Indians, because they fought with the White Man (and also were old enemies, but the kids always mentioned fighting with the White Man - this was the 70's)
But they are still called the Browning Indians. Not the Browning Native Americans.
They are all Indian Tribes, sovereign Nations here in this State. Not Native American Tribes. And although in University towns (my Alma Mater) they use Native American all the time, on the Res, they do not. It is Indian land.
Just an observation from a different area, from one who has lived on a Reservation.

[Drama Queen]

Were they really given an English alternative? They use the word that was prescribed to them in the English language.

[Mt Iggle]

I would suggest you ask them.

[Drama Queen]

Do you have a phone number?

[Clemson Foreaker]

hmmm

[Irish George]

Missed all of those

not cool, Two-Gap. Does not take away from my argument.