Reid (FF) vs. Banner (JoeLo): Who do you blame more for the Eagles not winning a SB?

[IronEagle]

Just a topic for discussion on the board.

I am going to have to evaluate this one carefully to decide my opinion and my opinion may be that they both are to blame. Right now I am leaning more towards Banner.

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Roy Williams for his horse-collar on TO.

A 100% TO, and they win that Super Bowl going away. Puking 5 or not.

[IronEagle]

Roy Williams for his horse-collar on TO.

A 100% TO, and they win that Super Bowl going away. Puking 5 or not.

Basically agree with your statement. That year they probably would have had it with a healthy T.O., cheating Belichick or not.

Even with an unhealthy T.O. I think they could have won had Belichick not cheated

McMahon destroyed the evidence in that case so we will never know exactly what the videos were.

But my question is something different. I am asking if Reid's game day f*cukups or if Joe Banner's money driven personnel decisions were a bigger drag on the team during the McNabb area. I think they were both problems at different times.

[ishimonster]

To me it all depends

Just a topic for discussion on the board.

I am going to have to evaluate this one carefully to decide my opinion and my opinion may be that they both are to blame. Right now I am leaning more towards Banner.

On how much of a say Ratface had in the draft process.

Banner was (is) an a$$hole, and who knows how many players he pissed off and bridges he burned in his career under Lurie. The biggest thing I will never forgive him for is letting Dawk walk for some pocket change.

At least FF, despite all of his shortcomings, knew how to inspire a team. You can blame him for not bringing in a quality receiver soon enough, but I also blame Sex Panther for stubbornly wasting all of his natural talent and never putting the work in to become elite.

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But my question is something different. I am asking if Reid's game day f*cukups or if Joe Banner's money driven personnel decisions were a bigger drag on the team during the McNabb area. I think they were both problems at different tiems.

I echo the "both" sentiment. Reid, as much as we grew to hate him, was a good coach. He wasn't a great coach, but he wasn't a horrible one either. Sure, he probably got by on JJ's D moreso than not, but end of day, he could lead a team (up until the game started).

By the time the league figured out Andy's stubbornness and how to play it, Banner was well into ruining the talent level for a few bucks. When the talent level diminished, and guys like JJ (RIP) and Harbaugh weren't around anymore, Andy's shortcomings really began to show.

Whoever had final say on draft picks gets extra credit, cause that shit was a joke.

[BigSlizz]

Let's take it by year.

I blame Banner for the Tampa fiasco. Had he ponied up the coin for a decent safety, they're in the Super Bowl.

The Carolina loss was 100% Reid. They had no trouble running the ball. He just refused to do it. He thought throwing the ball to receivers that were clearly outclassed was the thing to do, and fuck him for that.

I don't really find fault in the Super Bowl loss. Reid didn't throw up when the game was on the line.

The later years were pretty much Reid.

[Irish George]

I blame Eagle Nole

Just a topic for discussion on the board.

I am going to have to evaluate this one carefully to decide my opinion and my opinion may be that they both are to blame. Right now I am leaning more towards Banner.

actually...as big of a fuckup as Little Joe was...Andy had more direct impact on the on-field stuff so I will go with the fat asshole.

[3rd & Inches]

Basically agree with your statement. That year they probably would have had it with a healthy T.O., cheating Belichick or not.

Even with an unhealthy T.O. I think they could have won had Belichick not cheated

McMahon destroyed the evidence in that case so we will never know exactly what the videos were.

But my question is something different. I am asking if Reid's game day f*cukups or if Joe Banner's money driven personnel decisions were a bigger drag on the team during the McNabb area. I think they were both problems at different times.

I blame ratface. Great players will overcome bad coaching. He didn't give Donovan anything to throw to except for the already mentioned TO.

[nerd]

Depends on who was drafting... they picked freddie mitchell over chad johnso and steve Smith I think

[BirdBrawn]

The games are won and lost on the field

I blame FF for the lost championships, but BuyLo Joe was the bigger asswipe in my most unhumble assement

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David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner, Santana Moss, FredEx, Reggie Wayne and Quincy Morgan went before Ocho.

Same list, plus Robert Ferguson and Chris Chambers went before Smith.

There were a lot of WR misses that year.

[Maniac]

Reid. Home NFC Championship game losses have to go on the coach.
And I'm sure he could have overruled Banner on personnel.

[J_Cuz31]

Great players will overcome bad coaching.

If this was true Calvin Johnson would have a few rings by now.

[JDuggernaut]

If this was true Calvin Johnson would have a few rings by now.

Johnson could possibly overcome bad coaching, but he can't overcome Matthew Stafford.

Personally, I think Banner deserves more of the blame. The current employment status of both seem to support that. Dude just had seemingly no clue on how to spend Lurie's money. But there's enough blame to go around for Reid to catch some of it as well. His utter refusal to run the ball at times was baffling. I'd love to see what Westbrook could have done with Chip as his coach.

[TRENT]

I blame Andy for starting Nabby on a bum Ankle

when Touchy Feeley was having a serviceable year "Debacle", and I blame Lurban for not bringing in the best WR talent Available while we had the O line and the Franchise Qb,,,,,Dumb Mofo;'s and Yes we had the Defense too.