New Theory

[Greenstealth]

Do they still have pre draft ota under the new cba?

Dude, if the Eagles were going to trade him why didn't it happen over the last month?

Yes, it is possible a team would have become desperate during the draft and been willing to trade picks for Jackson. I don't think it's likely, which means your argument that a trade would have been more likely to happen ISN'T a forgone conclusion in my opinion.

But, if they felt there was little to no interest and keeping him would likely not have earned them a draft pick why keep him? If they don't want him at pre-draft OTAs do they just pretend he's part of the offense and hurt their other players? Or do they tell him to stay home/on the bench and then assume a desperate team during the draft will suddenly think the eagles will only give him up for a pick and can't just get him when he's released?

It doesn't make sense to me to keep a player around that 1) you don't want and 2) will cause a distraction for an additional month with limited reward. If it does to you, great.

PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
First Day: April 1
OTA Offseason Workouts: May 13-15, May 20-22, May 28-31
Voluntary Minicamp: April 16-18
Mandatory Minicamp: June 4-6


It doesn't make sense to you to get something back for a player with elite ability. That says enough right there. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO CUT HIM NOW as the story stands. I'm ok with them cutting ties if they felt the need, getting nothing back makes it BAD. They didn't even try to go to the draft. That is Roseman saying, it's too much of a pain in my ass to do my fucking job AKA "what's best for the organization".

[TerpEagle]

PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
First Day: April 1
OTA Offseason Workouts: May 13-15, May 20-22, May 28-31
Voluntary Minicamp: April 16-18
Mandatory Minicamp: June 4-6


It doesn't make sense to you to get something back for a player with elite ability. That says enough right there. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO CUT HIM NOW as the story stands. I'm ok with them cutting ties if they felt the need, getting nothing back makes it BAD. They didn't even try to go to the draft. That is Roseman saying, it's too much of a pain in my ass to do my fucking job AKA "what's best for the organization".

You might be right. April 1 may be the offseason work out start.

Did you see my list? Draft-day trades for WRs don't happen. Bess was the first one in the 4 years I went back and he was part of a package of picks.

[Greenstealth]

Each case is different and unique with TIMING and Demand playing crucial roles. If they couldn't move him through the draft it hurt no one including djax. He'd still have plenty of time to her on with his career elsewhere.

[TerpEagle]

Each case is different and unique with TIMING and Demand playing crucial roles. If they couldn't move him through the draft it hurt no one including djax. He'd still have plenty of time to her on with his career elsewhere.

I agree it's possible. I just think it's unlikely. Three players got traded during the NFL draft last year and Revis traded the weekend before. None were traded during the 2012 draft but Samuel was traded the day before.

So, maybe there would be a slim chance of a team trading for him but again it just seems doubtful. With him gone now he can try to get a deal before teams draft WRs and the Eagles can focus on the players they want to keep as they go into the draft.

[Greenstealth]

Fair enough, I'll concede I thought the odds of moving him in the draft would be better than what you are laying out. I still however, stand by my theory that the fo did not "do what's best for the organization". I do not think they did their due diligence so to speak. I think they alleviated themselves of a problem by not working to get something in return, but just cutting ties. Problem solved for them.

[J_Cuz31]

Give me your next fact.

Here's a fact: Brandon Lloyd was not traded in March, 2011 he was traded during the 2011 season. Here's another fact: Brandon Marshall was not traded in March 2011, he was traded in mid-April, one week before the 2010 Draft.

So, my initial fact is supported by reality. Based on your list (post fact-checking) 44 percent of WRs traded in the past five years were dealt in between the week leading up to the draft and the start of the season. 33 percent of WRs traded were dealt during the season and 22 percent of the WRs dealt were dealt after the season ended one month prior to the draft.

ALSO, there are COUNTLESS other receivers who were traded at various points between the draft and the start of the season. Without doing a widescale search Lee Evans, Jon Baldwin, AJ Jenkins, and Louis Murphy come to mind.

Desean Jackson was released SIX WEEKS prior to the draft. There was no reason to do this now. And those are the true facts after I unspun your little list there, brother.

[TerpEagle]

Here's a fact: Brandon Lloyd was not traded in March, 2011 he was traded during the 2011 season. Here's another fact: Brandon Marshall was not traded in March 2011, he was traded in mid-April, one week before the 2010 Draft.

So, my initial fact is supported by reality. Based on your list (post fact-checking) 44 percent of WRs traded in the past five years were dealt in between the week leading up to the draft and the start of the season. 33 percent of WRs traded were dealt during the season and 22 percent of the WRs dealt were dealt after the season ended one month prior to the draft.

ALSO, there are COUNTLESS other receivers who were traded at various points between the draft and the start of the season. Without doing a widescale search Lee Evans, Jon Baldwin, AJ Jenkins, and Louis Murphy come to mind.

Desean Jackson was released SIX WEEKS prior to the draft. There was no reason to do this now. And those are the true facts after I unspun your little list there, brother.

You're correct, Brandon Lloyd was traded in October 2011. His March trade was in 2006. I made a mistake looking up dates there since it happened twice.

As for Brandon Marshall, you're correct he wasn't traded in March 2011 - which I didn't say.

He's been traded twice and I mentioned both correctly. The more recent trade was on March 13, 2012. His previous trade was April 14, 2010. Neither was in 2011, just to be clear since you are a fan of facts.

So your big unspinning of my facts was pointing out a mistake on Lloyd (still not traded during the draft) and a redirect to post draft trades?

Most trades in the NFL are made during the draft. This is a fact.

Not true even if you want it to be and/or want to argue a separate point.

[AnnapolisEagle]

Once that story hit the paper, on top of the cut rumors that were already out there and his contract, it was clear that they weren't getting anything in a trade.

I don't like the move - I think they should have kept him. But, if they were going to dump him no matter what, then there was no longer a point in holding on.

I think this is probably it. They really didn't have a monetary or performance reason to get rid of him with nothing in return. And if they did, it would've made WAY more sense to do it earlier when it'd give them a little extra money to possibly pursue other free agents.

Trading him for pennies on the dollar makes more sense than cutting him right now. That's what makes me think they were surprised by the story. If they'd traded him for peanuts and then the story comes out, it helps justify the poor return.

-AE

[J_Cuz31]

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Not true even if you want it to be and/or want to argue a separate point.

In 2013 there were over 80 draft day trades. I know you can't name another three-day span where there were more trades but you will try.

And I have to say I am startled at how addicted you are to arguing basic facts. It's a sickness you have as evidenced by how easily you lie, make shit up, and edit posts in order to argue something that is so basic and easily supported by real facts.

Seriously dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? The world is round, nothing you say will ever change that and you'll never convince sane people otherwise.

[J_Cuz31]

So your big unspinning of my facts was pointing out a mistake on Lloyd (still not traded during the draft) and a redirect to post draft trades?
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Even if you constrict the grouping to receivers you personally selected only 22 percent of them were dealt between the end of the season and one week prior to the draft.

80 Draft day trades were made in the NFL in 2013. That is a fact. It can not be changed. I don't need convoluted, self-serving lists to support my argument. Because it is based in fact and you must now deal with it in that sniveling way where you CHOOSE which parts of the fact to accept. But the thing you don't understand is distorting facts to serve your losing argument doesn't negate the fact itself. It's still there. 80 Draft day trades in 2013- negating any bullshit you want to spew.

[WeflyHigh]

It's a business. The eagles don't give a fuck what we care about. As long as chip keeps winning and running the ball I'm gonna stfu.

I find it appalling we got no value for such a dynamic fan loved player. But hey. Wtf do I know.

Make it happen chip. The clock is now ticking.

[TerpEagle]

Even if you constrict the grouping to receivers you personally selected only 22 percent of them were dealt between the end of the season and one week prior to the draft.

80 Draft day trades were made in the NFL in 2013. That is a fact. It can not be changed. I don't need convoluted, self-serving lists to support my argument. Because it is based in fact and you must now deal with it in that sniveling way where you CHOOSE which parts of the fact to accept. But the thing you don't understand is distorting facts to serve your losing argument doesn't negate the fact itself. It's still there. 80 Draft day trades in 2013- negating any bullshit you want to spew.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000161121/article/2013-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves

NFL players traded during the 2013 NFL draft:

Saturday, April 27:
LeGarrette Blount

Friday, April 26:
Chris Ivory
Davone Bess

Traded before the draft in April for draft picks.

Sunday April 21:
Darrell Revis

Monday April 1:
Colt McCoy
Carson Palmer

That's 3 players, like I said. And Revis earlier in the week. Like I said.

So tell me who I'm missing. I checked and don't think I missed any but maybe I did. Also, tell me what other receivers I didn't include in my previous list. I took that from the Philly.com article looking at receivers traded in the NFL. Give me proof and a link like I've provided you. Do you not like the fact that I discussed WR trades when, in fact, we're discussing the trade of a WR?

Most of those trades were picks for picks. Not players for picks. So your point from the beginning was that because teams trade a lot of draft picks for picks that Jackson should have been kept even if few players are traded for picks? Wow, solid point. I mean, that with your Brandon Lloyd point really opened up the book on me.

I do find it amusing I'm charged with making shit up when I provide sources for most things I look up.

[J_Cuz31]

And still: 80 Draft Day Trades= Most trades in the NFL are made during the draft. That is a fact. Not because "I want it to be" but because it is. Asshole.

[TerpEagle]

And still: 80 Draft Day Trades= More trades in the NFL are made during the draft. That is a fact.

I'll give you that. There are more trades during draft weekend. Less than 4%in 2013 constituted players actively on rosters and even less in 2012 but that's ok. There are more trades than any other weekend or day. And one WR was traded in the last 4 years during that weekend. But again, lots of pick or pick trades. You got me.

I've been burned. You've made another solid argument against me. Chalk this up with you being right about Ernie Sims and the toughness he brought to the defense.

[J_Cuz31]

I'll give you that. There are more trades during draft weekend. Less than 4%in 2013 constituted players actively on rosters and even less in 2012 but that's ok. There are more trades than any other weekend or day. And one WR was traded in the last 4 years during that weekend. But again, lots of pick or pick trades. You got me.

I've been burned. You've made another solid argument against me. Chalk this up with you being right about Ernie Sims and the toughness he brought to the defense.

No dude, you picked this fight. I couldn't give a shit about you. But I do feel a basic duty to keep your pathetic Eagles FO apologies in line.