We know what politics does to this board well...

[slag]

Bwah ... I watched that Hawking tv special when he came to that conclusion and I swear, when it was done, I said out loud in an empty room: "Ok, but where did that come from?"

[Riccardo]

Exactly

Bwah ... I watched that Hawking tv special when he came to that conclusion and I swear, when it was done, I said out loud in an empty room: "Ok, but where did that come from?"

Think about it - Hawking says all the matter in the universe magically appeared 15 billion years ago as a singularity and then blew up. Come on, creationism is more believable than that load of bull!

[Riccardo]

I believe monty python nailed it

This has to be God

[IronEagle]

Think about it - Hawking says all the matter in the universe magically appeared 15 billion years ago as a singularity and then blew up. Come on, creationism is more believable than that load of bull!

Neither creationism or that load of bull explains anything completely. If you believe in a God that created everything, then who or what created that God?

My personal belief is that we as humans are just too dumb to understand everything. Science (usually) explains what we understand and religion tries to provide the explanations for what we don't understand.

There's a lot of stuff cats understand but we know a lot more about things than them. I don't think they even know enough to develop a religion.

I can see how the two (science, religion) are complimentary but I don't like it when either gets hijacked for the purposes of politics or making people money.

[Riccardo]

Yep

If you believe in a God that created everything, then who or what created that God?

God's Mom and Dad? That's El-Righto's theory!

[KenfromCanada]

I was raised catholic, and at one time I did believe in the god that I was taught about in school. I started to read and question things and received no answers that made sense to me from people who were supposed to have answers or at least be able to explain things to us less informed. I don't believe in the guy that I was taught about in school or an all powerful being that created all of this. Something however did put us here and started all of this. One thing has stuck with me that a teacher said to me in religion class as a kid, "nothing can be created or destroyed. Religion cannot exist without science."

[TerpEagle]

That's about where I come from on this myself.

My dad was an engineer who read books on the theory of relativity for amusement.

I asked him, when his mother died if he believed in an afterlife.

He said to me that math has the concept of infinity.

Then he said that there are things that exist that you can't use your five senses to detect but are still there.

Like, for example, if you think about fresh baked cookies you can almost smell, see and touch them.

Due to these two concepts he said he thought it was possible that there is a soul that goes on forever.

Science and faith rolled together.

I've said this before - you have to be willing to compromise either scientific reasoning or your faith if you claim to have both.

Faith is belief in the absence of evidence and while scientific theory is reasoned understanding based on available evidence.

They are diametrically opposed. That doesn't mean that one can't pursue both, but at some point a decision is made to ignore one or the other.

As far as religion goes, some are willing to change the definition of beliefs as the world is better understood (the Catholic idea of guided evolution rather than the Genesis story of creation) while others choose to ignore evidence and maintain antiquated beliefs that were initiated when humans were a much more ignorant species. Both compromise science or faith.

[Riccardo]

Agree but I can tell you from personal experience

I know many scientists that are religious... in numerous faiths.

[TerpEagle]

I know many scientists that are religious... in numerous faiths.

Oh of course. If the scientific study is compartmentalized from the faith it's possible to adhere to both without much conflict.

Where attempts are made to combine faith (or any pre-determined belief) with science is when pseudoscience prevails.

[Irish George]

bwhaha

never heard of him

and I swore my name would not appear in this thread!

[TerpEagle]

Neither creationism or that load of bull explains anything completely. If you believe in a God that created everything, then who or what created that God?

My personal belief is that we as humans are just too dumb to understand everything. Science (usually) explains what we understand and religion tries to provide the explanations for what we don't understand.

There's a lot of stuff cats understand but we know a lot more about things than them. I don't think they even know enough to develop a religion.

I can see how the two (science, religion) are complimentary but I don't like it when either gets hijacked for the purposes of politics or making people money.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

[T.D-Bag]

You are Hillarious and wrong

More republicans have college degrees than democrats

Nice retort when those are "your people". Did those stats came from your anus?

http://www.businessinsider.com/proof...mocrats-2012-5
http://www.progressivepolicy.org/201...cratic-voters/

[slag]

I really don't want to get into this but your conclusion with the charts you cite is coming out of your ass.

I don't know if what he stated is correct, but those charts don't disprove it.

They show the more college graduates, the more Democratic and liberal the state.

And the fewer college graduates, the more Republican and more conservative the state.

Which does not prove there are more Democrats in the US with college degrees than Republicans.

Because there may be a shitload of Dems in any particular state who don't have degrees even if more Republicans have them and all degrees are being lumped together for the analysis.

[T.D-Bag]

you are entitled to your opinion

Whatever. I extrapolated from a study, unlike your buddy. I get RW logic

[slag]

It's not an opinion.