Not sure how many of you have seen this already

[Phoward12]

Alternatively, the name has been around for a long time as a strong brand and barely any fuss has been made until recently, and society in general does go too far with political correctness.

Actually, it comes up when the Skins are doing something well or have become relevant, which sad to say has been awhile. Back in 1991, when the Skins were in the Super Bowl against Buffalo, there was a small protest by Native Americans outside of the stadium. The size of the protest didn't match the amount of words written in the papers, but there were a bunch of stories about the name then.

Sad for me to say, the Skins have been pretty irrelevant the past two decades other than an occasional wild card appearance. Then what happens? They draft RG3, he has a very good rookie season, the team wins the division for the first time in 10+ years and starts to look relevant again...time to dust off the name change arguments again.

I know most of this board doesn't care for Griffin, but the fact remains that he did bring a lot of hype his rookie year, did win the division, and as a result, put the team in the public eye again. I think you can trace most of this increased discussion and awareness of the name to the time where he arrived in D.C.

[Eagle In Ohio]

It's also silly to suggest

I think the reason that the board is so against the name is just to give a rival shit about something.

That being said, the name is racist and could merit a change. I have some Cherokee ancestry, but I don't really identify as a Native American, so it doesn't personally offend me. But I definitely see how the name is offensive to some.

Alternatively, the name has been around for a long time as a strong brand and barely any fuss has been made until recently, and society in general does go too far with political correctness.

The name probably should be changed, but faux outrage gets us nowhere. Internet "activism" is pointless, toothless, and a bit oxymoronic. I like professional football, so I will continue to watch regardless of team names and mascots. I will also root against the Redskins at least 12 times a year. For those truly offended, real action should be taken. For those not, we can still needle the team as racists, or you can just not give a shit about it and not whine about political correctness. Vehemently arguing either side of it on the internet is silly.

That because people who are against the name haven't quit their jobs and set up camp outside of FedEx Field to protest, that they are demonstrating "faux outrage" or "internet activism", or that just because you haven't heard about it, that barely any fuss has been made.

[Drama Queen]

As noted, the movement for changing the racist name has been going on for a long time. Meanwhile, The Racist Named Team has been one of the worst franchises over the past 20 years.

You are choosing to be selective.

If they were one of the best franchises over the past 20 years, you would be saying the same thing.

[JDuggernaut]

That because people who are against the name haven't quit their jobs and set up camp outside of FedEx Field to protest, that they are demonstrating "faux outrage" or "internet activism", or that just because you haven't heard about it, that barely any fuss has been made.

I never once suggested anyone quit their jobs or set up camps. Not even close. But, if you took the amount of time you spend posting on the topic to write a letter to the league office, you could actually claim to have tried to do something about it. And even if there have been small rumblings to change for a while, it doesn't change the fact that the issue has gotten no real traction until fairly recently, which was all I said. Just because a handful of people were offended 30 years does not mean there was any real movement or pressure to change it at the time.

If you got off your high horse once in a while, perhaps you could tolerate something that doesn't fall in line with your ideas 100%. Instead you deride my post for things you (incorrectly) infer, instead of addressing what I actually said.

[JDuggernaut]

There seems to be a notion that only the afflicted minority group mentioned can claim offense, and that's BS. Do I have to be African American to be offended by the N word? Of course not. It's a vile term, and it's an embarrassment to hear any human utter it. Snyder claims that it's okay to use the R word because most Native Americans don't find it offensive, as if that negates the fact that it, too, is a vile and disgusting term.



I think it has gone on longer than most people think, and the media is only recently seeing the groundswell and reporting on it. But still, I see it as a sign that our society is attempting to mature and right the wrongs of the past.




Perhaps we should just rap about it.

We can't rap about it. Rappers use vile terms, and you'd be embarrassed to hear it.

[Drama Queen]

While you were in TN at a middle school square dance listening to a band slapping spoons and blowing jugs, many were here protesting that name. Don't speak for this board's outrage.

[Eagle In Ohio]

Or

I never once suggested anyone quit their jobs or set up camps. Not even close. But, if you took the amount of time you spend posting on the topic to write a letter to the league office, you could actually claim to have tried to do something about it. And even if there have been small rumblings to change for a while, it doesn't change the fact that the issue has gotten no real traction until fairly recently, which was all I said. Just because a handful of people were offended 30 years does not mean there was any real movement or pressure to change it at the time.

If you got off your high horse once in a while, perhaps you could tolerate something that doesn't fall in line with your ideas 100%. Instead you deride my post for things you (incorrectly) infer, instead of addressing what I actually said.

You could stop acting like every time someone speaks on the topic, that their feelings are disingenuous or only trying to fall in line with political correctness. When the movement to change the name first started, there was no 24/7 365 sports coverage that you have today, nor were there outlets such as social media to give the native americans any kind of significant voice or platform. They could only have that platform if the media cared enough to give it to them, which they didn't. Also, you and the other dude who claims to not give a shit about the subject should both look in the mirror when you talk about being on a high horse, with the way you both are so quick to file the sentiment of changing the name of the team under PC and nothing more.

[JDuggernaut]

While you were in TN at a middle school square dance listening to a band slapping spoons and blowing jugs, many were here protesting that name. Don't speak for this board's outrage.

See, you insult me for something I had no control over (where I was born) and should not be looked down upon for, but then you claim to be outraged over a team name. I'm not personally offended by your insults, but I have more of a right to be outraged over it than you do over the term Redskins.

As insensitive as the board can be sometimes (which I generally find humorous), it sure does get outraged at a certain compound word. Of course, I really think most of that is due to the fact one of the biggest rivals happens to have a racist name.

[Drama Queen]

Who said that was an insult?
What if I said HILL * BILLY?
The TN HILLBILLIES.

[Phoward12]

As noted, the movement for changing the racist name has been going on for a long time. Meanwhile, The Racist Named Team has been one of the worst franchises over the past 20 years.

You are choosing to be selective.

If they were one of the best franchises over the past 20 years, you would be saying the same thing.

Actually, I'm not being selective at all, I really think that's the reason. How many printed words and how much national outrage did you hear about the Skins name in 2008, when Jim Zorn was "leading" us and getting replaced by a bingo caller for offensive play calls? Pretty much zero. If the Skins were constantly good, I'd be willing to bet the articles calling for a name change would have been much more frequent as well.

My opinion, for what little it counts, is that Griffins rookie season and the team's surge in future potential got this ball rolling again, and having a shit season last year wasn't enough to derail it. I would bet that if the Skins turn in a few 5-6 win seasons, RG3 gets benched/let go in favor of someone else, and the Skins decline again, that the national outrage would die down as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

[JDuggernaut]

You could stop acting like every time someone speaks on the topic, that their feelings are disingenuous or only trying to fall in line with political correctness. When the movement to change the name first started, there was no 24/7 365 sports coverage that you have today, nor were there outlets such as social media to give the native americans any kind of significant voice or platform. They could only have that platform if the media cared enough to give it to them, which they didn't. Also, you and the other dude who claims to not give a shit about the subject should both look in the mirror when you talk about being on a high horse, with the way you both are so quick to file the sentiment of changing the name of the team under PC and nothing more.

You seem to ignore the fact that I acknowledged it was racist and said I would have no problem with it being changed. I'm just not outraged by it. I also said guys like SE need to quit whining about PC (in this particular case), but he didn't feel the need to defend himself so vehemently. You're too concerned with your agenda to actually read and interpret what anyone says if it is not in full accordance with how you personally feel.

[JDuggernaut]

Who said that was an insult?
What if I said HILL * BILLY?
The TN HILLBILLIES.

Nobody has to say it's an insult. The implication is that Tennessee is backwards simply because it is south of the Mason-Dixon line.

You know, where I'm from (East Tennessee), we were actually very pro-Union and almost swayed the whole state to remain in the Union. It's not quite as backwards in dem dar hills as many Northerners like to think.

[Eagle In Ohio]

What is the agenda, then ?

You seem to ignore the fact that I acknowledged it was racist and said I would have no problem with it being changed. I'm just not outraged by it. I also said guys like SE need to quit whining about PC (in this particular case), but he didn't feel the need to defend himself so vehemently. You're too concerned with your agenda to actually read and interpret what anyone says if it is not in full accordance with how you personally feel.

You keep throwing that word out there, tell me what my agenda is. I think they should change the name. It's a racial slur. A good portion of the people whom it is supposed to honor, even though we now know that honoring native americans wasn't the intention of the name at all as Snyder and Goodell insist, think that it's a slur. That was the point of the thread, and that has been my position from day one. I have never had an issue with anyone disagreeing with me on this board, so please enlighten me as to what my specific agenda is.

[Drama Queen]

2008 was also an election year and think about the economy for a minute. There may be a correlation, but its not the reason. There's probably many reasons.

If you're trying to identify a defining moment. A galvanizing moment. Look no further than at Danny Snyder's comment in early 2013. ... and you can print that.

[JDuggernaut]

You keep throwing that word out there, tell me what my agenda is. I think they should change the name. It's a racial slur. A good portion of the people whom it is supposed to honor, even though we now know that honoring native americans wasn't the intention of the name at all as Snyder and Goodell insist, think that it's a slur. That was the point of the thread, and that has been my position from day one. I have never had an issue with anyone disagreeing with me on this board, so please enlighten me as to what my specific agenda is.

I used the word "agenda" once, so I wouldn't say I "keep throwing that word out there." I also used it for lack of a better term. If I had to identify an agenda of yours though, I would say your agenda is to shame people into feeling exactly how you feel, as strongly as you feel. We don't disagree on the merit of the name. It's clear though that you want to argue with me because I simply don't feel as strongly about it as you do.