Stephen A Smith basically just called Chip a racist

[Eagle In Ohio]

Thank you

I don't think it's being perceived as being as simple as black and white. But when Chip Kelly talks about #culture, there seems to be a particular 'culture' that COULD BE (and probably is) perceived as not getting a fair shake. The Desean Jackson case is the most prominent example, especially when contrasted with the support for Cooper.

Again, it's not merely about race, but about culture, which includes aspects of social differences such as socio-economic status and the norms of particular neighborhoods.

Also, EIO did not say he agree with Smith, he just related anecdotal evidence.

I never said that I agreed with him, but the conversation is being had. That's just the truth, right or wrong.

[Eagle In Ohio]

I don't have an agenda

Shhhh, can't mention what doesn't fit the agenda.............................

Go back and read what I posted.

[Eagle Road]

Go back and read what I posted.

NEVER said "YOU" as YOU personally had an agenda did I.

[Dan Drives a Van]

NEVER said "YOU" as YOU personally had an agenda did I.

Then whose agenda, specifically? I might regret asking this, but I'm curious.

[Eagle Road]

Then whose agenda, specifically? I might regret asking this, but I'm curious.

People that always try and steer whatever happens into a racial issue, regardless if they were grounds for it or not.


I've heard the exact same conversation at my barbershop here in Cleveland, so I know it's being said in Philly. It's an understandable argument. KKKooper didn't get his new deal until AFTER the slur, then when you add the fact that they did nothing to dispel the rumors about them cutting Jackson because of gang ties, choosing instead to just stay quiet and let them linger, you can see why some of the brothas would think that way


Take the last sentence of what EIO posted, just because the Eagles choose to let something die and not make an issue out of something that NOBODY can even PROVE the FO said.


It's an unwinnable argument, If you take a side and say anything, then you are perceived as having started the rumor, or why else would you defend it?


So you say NOTHING, and you are perceived as covering it up.


THAT AGENDA, that everything that happens always has a reason and it's always against ME/US.

[phillyeagles36]

I'm actually not shocked at all. I'd actually be surprised if there weren't a lot more people thinking it. Supporting Cooper but then not paying Maclin is going to be taken a certain way by some people, and I think that's pretty understandable.

Another thing that has not been discussed but I'm sure players have taken note of: Kelly did not hire a single black positional coach. Duce Staley and Ted Williams, the only black positional coaches, were the only two holdovers from Reid, and now Ted Williams has been kicked upstairs to scouting.

I'm not saying race plays a part in any of Kelly's decision making. I don't think it does. But perception is a lot more important in the NFL than in college.

This is something that has worried me since they gave Cooper a nice new contract and DeSean a pink slip.

You're buttfucking delusional if you actually believe he's racist or if anyone is remotely thinking he is.

[Dan Drives a Van]

THAT AGENDA, that everything that happens always has a reason and it's always against ME/US.

Against who specifically? Again, I'm just trying to understand the train of thought.

[Eagle Road]

Against who specifically? Again, I'm just trying to understand the train of thought.

I think I have explained it pretty well, or are you just channeling Stephen A. Smith today?

[Dan Drives a Van]

You're buttfucking delusional if you actually believe he's racist or if anyone is remotely thinking he is.

I don't think Chip Kelly is racist. I have stated that in every post. I'm very pro-Kelly, and have supported all of his roster moves, except giving Cooper that contract.

I hope, as an Eagles fan who wants him to succeed, that he understands that pubic perception, as well as perception of players, is important.

When Smith says things like this, some people will listen and shift their viewpoint. To pretend it's IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to share his view is a bit delusional, in my opinion.

[Dim Bulb]

The racism discussion

I think I have explained it pretty well, or are you just channeling Stephen A. Smith today?

Is all about perception. ER, EIO was just pointing out that some members of the African American community do indeed see racism in Chip. Those who are questioning EIO or questioning the veracity of whether there is racism in this example are missing the point.

The point is not: They're wrong. They're stupid. The statement that Chip is a racist is demonstrably false.

The point is: Why do some members of the African American community have this perception?

Once we start talking about that, then we start having an actual dialogue. That's just my dim opinion.

[phillyeagles36]

I don't think Chip Kelly is racist. I have stated that in every post. I'm very pro-Kelly, and have supported all of his roster moves, except giving Cooper that contract.

I hope, as an Eagles fan who wants him to succeed, that he understands that pubic perception, as well as perception of players, is important.

When Smith says things like this, some people will listen and shift their viewpoint. To pretend it's IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to share his view is a bit delusional, in my opinion.

I guess what I should of said is, is that no way anyone should have any perceived perception or image of him being racist. There is literally not a single thing that incriminates him towards being racist. Keeping and signing Cooper was stupid as hell, I will be the first to admit that, but for some one to state Kelly is racist, is extremely ignorant and makes you a waste

[Overbrook]

The answer to your "point is", is........

Is all about perception. ER, EIO was just pointing out that some members of the African American community do indeed see racism in Chip. Those who are questioning EIO or questioning the veracity of whether there is racism in this example are missing the point.

The point is not: They're wrong. They're stupid. The statement that Chip is a racist is demonstrably false.

The point is: Why do some members of the African American community have this perception?

Once we start talking about that, then we start having an actual dialogue. That's just my dim opinion.

They have this perception because they are stone cold fucking racists. Period.

To even perceive to see racism when not an iota is present reflects very poorly on the person seeing it.

[Eagle Road]

Is all about perception. ER, EIO was just pointing out that some members of the African American community do indeed see racism in Chip. Those who are questioning EIO or questioning the veracity of whether there is racism in this example are missing the point.

The point is not: They're wrong. They're stupid. The statement that Chip is a racist is demonstrably false.

The point is: Why do some members of the African American community have this perception?

Once we start talking about that, then we start having an actual dialogue. That's just my dim opinion.

I guess I missed the whole point then, because when I eluded to certain people thinking that things that always happened to THEM/US, I wasn't talking about JUST African Americans, I was taking about anybody that has that boo-hoo, woe is me attitude.




That was my point!

[Dan Drives a Van]

Is all about perception. ER, EIO was just pointing out that some members of the African American community do indeed see racism in Chip. Those who are questioning EIO or questioning the veracity of whether there is racism in this example are missing the point.

The point is not: They're wrong. They're stupid. The statement that Chip is a racist is demonstrably false.

The point is: Why do some members of the African American community have this perception?

Once we start talking about that, then we start having an actual dialogue. That's just my dim opinion.

This is actually stating perfectly what I was trying to get at all along. Well said.

I like and support Chip Kelly. I worry about how his personnel decisions are perceived, especially since he doesn't seem to care about perception. These are not mutually exclusive stances.

[Melchior]

@JimmyKempski

While it is true that Chip Kelly cut Todd Herremans, a Caucasian, it was relayed to me via a source that Herremans had begun talking jive.