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Wall was #1 Paul George turned out pretty good at #10
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Hmm yeah not too bad I guess. I remember the debate being between Turner and Cousins."Listen to McCarthy" - Art VandelayComment
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Favors was in that class, too. I would've taken him over that bum ET. God I hated him.Comment
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Greg Monroe too.
It wasn't bad enough that Turner was an underachiever but he was also a whiny little bitch too. Good riddance.Comment
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Ya, there wasn't a debate...crazy to look back. That guy is probably a top 3-5 NBA center right now.Originally posted by McCarthy12 View PostComment
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I remember some people in the media etc arguing that Cousins should go 2, but like you said, his character issues were a problem. Turner was the consensus safe #2. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Turner stinks."Listen to McCarthy" - Art VandelayComment
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Ya, you're going to have that every year. Can you imagine if the 6ers had Gordon Hayward on this team right now? Wow. Of course, they may not have Embiid or Noel...Originally posted by McCarthy12 View PostComment
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The tank thing is overblown. With their top picks, Hinkie took the best player, period, and didn't worry if it was going to pay immediate dividends. Noel and Embiid were the best guys he could've taken in those respective spots. He was betting that Noel and Embiid would be better, despite the lost seasons, than the guys they could have had instead.Originally posted by IronEagle View Post
This is sort of an interesting exercise, because the Sixers did have additional picks in both cases. They picked Noel instead of Ben McLemore, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Trey Burke and CJ McCollum; then picked MCW. They picked Embiid instead of Aaron Gordon, Dante Exum, Marcus Smart and Julius Randle; then there was the Elfrid Payton/Saric trade. I think you could argue that Burke, McLemore and Caldwell-Pope would've been better picks, given where they are after 2 years, but Noel does so much on defense already after 1 year that I think that's a hard sell. And as for Embiid, none of those guys look remotely as promising even with hindsight.
In fact, it was only Embiid's injury that made him available. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he probably goes first overall and the Sixers probably end up with Wiggins. They'd still have been bad, but that would've ended the tank talk.
I wonder if Hinkie would've taken Saric even if he'd landed Wiggins. Dude has talent but maybe it would've triggered more of a win-now mode and he goes for Lavine. But even if they did take Saric, for much of the year, they would've run out MCW-Wiggins-Covington-Noel and somebody else, depending how they deploy. Maybe they still trade MCW, but part of that trade was predicated on how he'd fit in the future with an Embiid-centric offense.
As it is, they'll add Embiid and either Russell or Mudiay to the starting lineup this year. Next off season, it'll be Saric and probably a couple top-10 picks.
They'll start the 2016 season with Noel, Embiid and Saric all age 22, Russell (or Mudiay) 20, and likely a couple other first-rounders around 19 or 20. They will be very, very young and pretty talented.
It could all blow up, of course. Embiid could be Jeff Ruland and all the other picks could fail to pan out. But really, I've got zero problem with how they've tried to do this.Comment
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I'm all in on it. The NBA has obviously changed and the only way to build a contender is through the draft and/or getting a "big 3" through max deals (Cavs, Heat, Clippers)
They don't have the draw for FAs to come in and sign max deals, even though they have to $$ to do so.Comment
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They'll drive up a lot of prices in the RFA market this offseason, but that's probably about it. I'd love Butler or Leonard, but no way that happens.Originally posted by Ground_Meat View Post
One good thing: Once they've got Noel, Embiid, Russell/Mudiay, Saric and a couple more 2016 lottery picks, they'll STILL have a ton of ammunition in the form of picks to package for big-contract stars. Hell, Durant is a UFA in 2016...Comment
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Originally posted by AnnapolisEagle View Post
You are right. I believe Westbrook is as well. I think this is why they need to start to "try" to win this coming season. They have to start appearing to be an up and coming team so FAs will have an interest in playing in Philly.Comment
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I would honestly take cousins second behind anthony davis right now as being the best center in the NBAOriginally posted by Ground_Meat View PostComment
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There's no question about that, but he was a Senior in high school in 2010.Originally posted by phillyeagles36 View PostComment
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Yeah, I think they'll be viewed as an up-and-coming franchise this coming year. Still bad -- there will be growing pains as they figure out how to play together and Embiid and Russell/Mudiay adjust to the level of competition.Originally posted by Ground_Meat View Post
Barring some huge shocker of an added RFA, they're still going to be pretty awful. Figure we can expect them to pick in the bottom six next year. Maybe they get really lucky and land Ben Simmons.
The Lakers might be able to turn it around quickly if they can lure a big free agent who wants to join Kobe for his last lap and play in LA, but they're still going to be pretty bad. They'll add Okafor/Towns and get Randle back, but Kobe will still dominate the ball and I think they'll still provide a pretty good pick in 2016. Sixers will also be bringing Saric over then, too.
Maybe they'll surprise us, but I figure they'll be ready to make some noise in 2017 and, if all goes well, a long time after that.Last edited by AnnapolisEagle; 05-22-2015, 10:06 AM.Comment
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Apparently the Lakers will be "all in" - they have a tom of cap space and want to sign a big name to go with Randle, Kobe, Okafor, Clarkson, etcComment
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