All he had to do was win

[Irish George]

Getting rid of five offensive starters almost immediately upon gaining full power as GM incensed some immediately. Others reserved judgement. And the Kool Aid gang --of which I was a member-- said he knew what he was doing and would do it with his own players.

the common thread among all three groups was the acknowledgement that the bottom line was winning. Winning trumped all. All he had to do to shut up the critics was win.

Chip himself said it was all about going from good to great. That 10-6 wasn't good enough and that improvement from there could be expected. 10-6 was the base line.

Well, we aint getting to the base line. We ain't going from good to great, but from good to mediocre and trending toward putrid.

The "good" team needed some tweaking on D and the O line. Instead he blew up the engine and replaced it with cheap ass parts. And the worst thing is the team he has built to this point won't get better with age.

I, and the rest of the Kool Aid drinkers were wrong.

[Joker]

Pooh bear is his own worst enemy

[DEERSPINE GUY]

DAMN I.G. VERY POIGNANT AND TO THE POINT. ALMOST LIKE YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT WRITING.

[Two Gap Penetrator]

If Lurie gave him more control from the outset.......

.....no one would have cared if they had a sh*t season or two. We would have all been saying that it was going to take 3 or 4 years to get it together. I blame f*cking Lurie for not forcing Roseman to take a back seat from DAY ONE. I also blame Lurie for hiring a college coach. I've been saying it for a while: What you are seeing is a DELAYED rebuild.

[Two Gap Penetrator]

BTW, if Chip Kelly was allowed to blow the whole thing up...

.....from Day 1, chances are he would have been in position to get HIS quarterback, Marcus Mariota.

[capitaleagle]

.....no one would have cared if they had a sh*t season or two. We would have all been saying that it was going to take 3 or 4 years to get it together. I blame f*cking Lurie for not forcing Roseman to take a back seat from DAY ONE. I also blame Lurie for hiring a college coach. I've been saying it for a while: What you are seeing is a DELAYED rebuild.

It sucks but I think you're right. I think Kelly was sincere when he said he thought they would improve right away (I thought they would too), but that much turnover in one offseason, that's a rebuild.

Serious question: when's the last time a team with THAT much turnover, at key positions no less, and succeeded right away? On offense alone, it was new starters at:

QB
RG
LG
RB
Outside WR

I'm as guilty of it as anyone, but looking back on it it's crazy to think the team was ever going to take a step forward with that many new players unless they were all all-stars.

[Two Gap Penetrator]

Look at what happens when you just change a coaching staff!

How many times have we seen teams change head coaches and struggle for 2 years? I'm talking about having a typical turnover of players and just changing the head coach. It's NEVER good.

[capitaleagle]

How many times have we seen teams change head coaches and struggle for 2 years? I'm talking about having a typical turnover of players and just changing the head coach. It's NEVER good.

Yep. Chip clearly wanted to see what he could do with Andy's players, had a pretty nice first year so of course he had to try again, and concluded last winter (correctly, I still think) that he was never going to be able to build a true contender with that core group of guys.

The Murray signing, I think, is misleading. He was a high profile, high priced FA, so when Chip signed him a lot of people thought that was proof Chip was going on all-in right now. But he wanted to sign Gore to a much cheaper deal. Only when Gore backed out of a handshake agreement did Chip go after Murray, because he needed a guy who could probably handle the position for 16 games (Mathews, as we're seeing again, is a great talent but always gets hurt.)

Chip signed a lot of FAs, but most were at spare parts prices. That, also, suggests this was more of a rebuild year than I thought.

[IronEagle]

Yep. Chip clearly wanted to see what he could do with Andy's players, had a pretty nice first year so of course he had to try again, and concluded last winter (correctly, I still think) that he was never going to be able to build a true contender with that core group of guys.

The Murray signing, I think, is misleading. He was a high profile, high priced FA, so when Chip signed him a lot of people thought that was proof Chip was going on all-in right now. But he wanted to sign Gore to a much cheaper deal. Only when Gore backed out of a handshake agreement did Chip go after Murray, because he needed a guy who could probably handle the position for 16 games (Mathews, as we're seeing again, is a great talent but always gets hurt.)

Chip signed a lot of FAs, but most were at spare parts prices. That, also, suggests this was more of a rebuild year than I thought.

WTF do you trade away a 2nd round pick for Bradford and pay Bradford that much money if you are in rebuild mode!?!

The only think I can think of is that the plan was to try to get Mariota.

FAIL

[capitaleagle]

WTF do you trade away a 2nd round pick for Bradford and pay Bradford that much money if you are in rebuild mode!?!

The only think I can think of is that the plan was to try to get Mariota.

FAIL

Not saying it was a good idea. But I think Chip gave up that much because he really thought/thinks Bradford is a QB he can build around for the long haul. (though I agree, plan A was almost definitely get Mariota, though I'm not even sure Tennessee was going to let him go for anything.)

[IronEagle]

Not saying it was a good idea. But I think Chip gave up that much because he really thought/thinks Bradford is a QB he can build around for the long haul. (though I agree, plan A was almost definitely get Mariota, though I'm not even sure Tennessee was going to let him go for anything.)

Think about it. Ir Kelly had been able to get Mariota.... even at the expense of rest of the entire 2015 draft we would be a lot more optimistic about the future of the Eagles right now.

I think to pull it off Kelly needed Mariota to pull a SlackJaw and say he refused to play for Tennessee. Unfortunately for us Eagles fans Philadelphia isn't New York, and Mariota doesn't have a father named Manning.

[BigSlizz]

It's a kick in the face for sure

The question is do you give him more time to bring his plan to fruition (most coaches get more than a year, and really this is year one of Chip running the ship), or blow it up?

Neither looks very promising.

[capitaleagle]

Think about it. Ir Kelly had been able to get Mariota.... even at the expense of rest of the entire 2015 draft we would be a lot more optimistic about the future of the Eagles right now.

I think to pull it off Kelly needed Mariota to pull a SlackJaw and say he refused to play for Tennessee. Unfortunately for us Eagles fans Philadelphia isn't New York, and Mariota doesn't have a father named Manning.

No question. I was mad -- i mean legitimately angry -- when I realized Mariota was really going to Tennessee. Honestly not sure what it would have taken to get him -- was the entire slate of 2015 Philadelphia draft picks enough? I seriously don't know -- but he was the QB this team desperately needed.

[CCPete]

Think about it. Ir Kelly had been able to get Mariota.... even at the expense of rest of the entire 2015 draft we would be a lot more optimistic about the future of the Eagles right now.

I think to pull it off Kelly needed Mariota to pull a SlackJaw and say he refused to play for Tennessee. Unfortunately for us Eagles fans Philadelphia isn't New York, and Mariota doesn't have a father named Manning.

Never have so many been led off the cliff. Look at the condition of this team. Anyone who thinks that things would be any different if Chip got his QB IN THE draft, doesn't see what is going on with this team. Guys laughing in the middle of a game. Smiling on the way to the locker after being routed. Chip has already lost them. And he is the most overrated 'offensive genius" in league history.

[Two Gap Penetrator]

Nobody wants an entire 2015 draft for....

...that level of player. They want multiple #1's and other very high picks. That is the problem.