Making a Murderer on Netflix

[tenflyer]

* SPOILER ALERT *

Like others have said it was one sided, but the show was just fantastic.

I think Brandon was the one out of both crazy cases that I could not believe was found guilty. You could tell he had no idea what he was saying, and a 16 year old (with the intelligence of probably a 3rd grader) shouldn't have been questioned w/o a lawyer. And his first court appointed lawyer Len Kachinsky is one of the worst human beings I have ever seen. I wanted to smash the TV.

Steve Avery's lawyers were really, really good despite the loss.

Something really rubbed me wrong about the victim's ex-boyfriend, how he ran the searches, accessed her voice mail, etc. Not saying he did it, it could very wall have been Avery but I just found that odd. Weird she went three days w/o even being reported missing too.

And I personally loved that the special prosecuter was exposed as a downright creep and forced out later. Check out his current website - I love how he took a selfie in a t-shirt: http://www.kratzlawfirm.com

[rothdawg]

I thought there was something up with Bredan's brother Bobby. His testimony was awkward, he looked like he was lying and the timing he gave of the day was disproved by the bus driver.

[GroundedBird]

watched the whole thing and agree, it's a bit slanted. But then, so was the publicity and the release of information prior to the case - tainting the viewing area. Don't see how Avery could have gotten an impartial jury.

Question I have is how was the series started; did Avery's team approach Netflix? If so, I think it was a brilliant move.

Not sure what long lasting affect (if any) this will have on the judicial system. Are we going to have public trials broadcast to a wider audience?

[art vandelay]

Maybe one of these days I'll watch the whole thing. The fact that it's 11 episodes makes me wonder when I'll find time though. The fact that The Jinx was only 6 episodes let me blow through it. Something twice as long just seems less watchable to me.

It seems like a little bit of a Jinx ripoff to me but I know that's unfair. Documentaries like this take ages to make and they're all similarly formatted anyway.

[rothdawg]

watched the whole thing and agree, it's a bit slanted. But then, so was the publicity and the release of information prior to the case - tainting the viewing area. Don't see how Avery could have gotten an impartial jury.

Question I have is how was the series started; did Avery's team approach Netflix? If so, I think it was a brilliant move.

Not sure what long lasting affect (if any) this will have on the judicial system. Are we going to have public trials broadcast to a wider audience?

I think they were two independent film makers (former lawyers) who filmed it over ten years. I guess Netflix bought the rights to it.

Edit: According this article Ken Kratz was asked to be apart of the documentary but refused and tried to subpoena the footage of the documentary in 2006. That might explain why it's one sided.
http://time.com/4168717/making-a-murderer-ken-kratz/

[rothdawg]

It's 10 Episodes ADD boy

Maybe one of these days I'll watch the whole thing. The fact that it's 11 episodes makes me wonder when I'll find time though. The fact that The Jinx was only 6 episodes let me blow through it. Something twice as long just seems less watchable to me.

It seems like a little bit of a Jinx ripoff to me but I know that's unfair. Documentaries like this take ages to make and they're all similarly formatted anyway.

There are some parts that drag a little, but I think it's necessary to build the whole story of a major case like this. I enjoyed all of it, but some of my friends wish it were only 8 episodes or so.

[art vandelay]

There are some parts that drag a little, but I think it's necessary to build the whole story of a major case like this. I enjoyed all of it, but some of my friends wish it were only 8 episodes or so.

10, 11...i'm with your ADD friends. it's still almost twice as long as the jinx. a lot of hours to put into a documentary.

[Susquehanna Birder]

I finally got around to finishing this. Crazy shit, but I realize that I saw the information that the producers wanted me to see. Otherwise it wouldn't have been as "entertaining."

I find it interesting that having some personal history with violent crime, my wife had a very different view of the results. She had to sit through a trial as a family member of the victim, while I stayed home to watch the kids. She saw Avery as stone cold guilty, and at the end of the series, she was pretty upset about the whole affair. I took my conclusions from the information that was presented, and I just can't get past the disconnect between the witness narratives and the physical evidence. That alone would put reasonable doubt in my mind.

There was one other thing that almost made us NOT watch. The terrible experience of my wife's family is constantly resurfacing as TV producers occasionally try to dig up the story for various "real crime" shows. It's sad that the public has such a morbid fascination with murders, and there is a terrible lack of compassion for the living victims, who have to relive this shit over and over.

[Hurricane Dean]

There are some parts that drag a little, but I think it's necessary to build the whole story of a major case like this. I enjoyed all of it, but some of my friends wish it were only 8 episodes or so.

I think Avery did it but not so sure about Brendan Dassey. The detectives totally screwed with that kids mind. He's not a bright kid to begin and the publicity/attention he was receiving probably made him lose his mind

[rothdawg]

Interesting Perspective

I finally got around to finishing this. Crazy shit, but I realize that I saw the information that the producers wanted me to see. Otherwise it wouldn't have been as "entertaining."

I find it interesting that having some personal history with violent crime, my wife had a very different view of the results. She had to sit through a trial as a family member of the victim, while I stayed home to watch the kids. She saw Avery as stone cold guilty, and at the end of the series, she was pretty upset about the whole affair. I took my conclusions from the information that was presented, and I just can't get past the disconnect between the witness narratives and the physical evidence. That alone would put reasonable doubt in my mind.

There was one other thing that almost made us NOT watch. The terrible experience of my wife's family is constantly resurfacing as TV producers occasionally try to dig up the story for various "real crime" shows. It's sad that the public has such a morbid fascination with murders, and there is a terrible lack of compassion for the living victims, who have to relive this shit over and over.

You're right, not having that point of view would certainly make watching something like that much different.

[rothdawg]

I go back and forth about Avery. Some of the stuff that has come out since I've watched it is leading me to believe he did it. I think it's pretty indisputable that regardless of whether he was guilty, the Manitowoc Sherifs Department planted evidence on him.

I agree about Dassey. I think it's much more likely he will get a retrial than Avery.

[tjl88]

I go back and forth about Avery. Some of the stuff that has come out since I've watched it is leading me to believe he did it. I think it's pretty indisputable that regardless of whether he was guilty, the Manitowoc Sherifs Department planted evidence on him.

I agree about Dassey. I think it's much more likely he will get a retrial than Avery.

What info that has come out is swaying you? I've gone deep in to this rabbit hole and know way to much about this. Im interested about what you're talking about.

[Susquehanna Birder]

I think it's pretty indisputable that regardless of whether he was guilty, the Manitowoc Sherifs Department planted evidence on him.

I found it interesting that his defense team had to dance around the direct implication that the police had fabricated the entire thing. They suggested that they planted evidence to bolster their case, which very well may be the situation. Unfortunate, but plausible.

[T.D-Bag]

Don't believe he did it. Maybe one of his crazy brothers, in laws or cousins did.
The timeline is not accurate with that of the bus driver. The phone call to his GF in prison was just about the time he was said to be murdering it was taped and he was very calm. No fingerprints in the car, but his blood was. Why was her blood in the car if he killed her in the garage, and where was her blood?

[Susquehanna Birder]

I tend to agree with you there.

There was talk of blood in the garage (I think in the sentencing or later), but I don't recall any discussion of it. My mind was framing it all on Brendan's description of the bedroom scene.