No mention of the horrible terrorist attack in Nice?

[Irish George]

Im pretty sure Newtown was not Islamic Terror

But it should be painfully obvious to everyone now that ISLAMIC terrorists don't need guns to commit mass murder

As most of the domestic incidents were not.

[TerpEagle]

A good first step would be to stop with this notion that these terrorist are "radicalized", Islam is an inherently radical religion. Time to stop pussyfooting around this issue and call a spade a spade.

You know that the primary victims of attacks by ISIS are Muslim, correct?

I guess they're all the same.

[broadstreetparade]

The fact that more Muslims are killed by Isis than Christians doesn't do much to change the fact that Islam, at its core, is a very violent ideology. Not much unlike medieval Christianity or ancient Judaism. Christiantity have Judaism have reformed themselves where Islam has not.

Edit to add: not all Muslims have to be terrorist for the religion to be a huge problem.

[TerpEagle]

The fact that more Muslims are killed by Isis than Christians doesn't do much to change the fact that Islam, at its core, is a very violent ideology. Not much unlike medieval Christianity or ancient Judaism. Christiantity have Judaism have reformed themselves where Islam has not.

There are 1.7 billion Muslims on this planet. A very small percentage of them are radical terrorists. The ones that are, especially ISIS, are primarily using acts of terrorism for political means, not religious ones. The same reason that other violent groups have utilized religion as part of their attempt to gain power.

By lumping all believers of a religion into a group that is "radical" you're helping the true radicals and terrorists meet their objectives. You're effectively saying that over a billion people who are are just trying to live their lives are radical nutjobs.

If one person calls you a radical nutjob and another person says you're not for simply being a member of a religion, which one are you going to align with?

And I say this as a non-believer of any supernatural beliefs. Treating terrorism as a religious problem rather than a political problem is not going to to provide a solution (unless the plan is to eradicate all believers).

Treating the overall problems with religious fervor is another issue, but marginalizing a group as being radical isn't going to dampen the fervor. It validates the nutjobs, because the rest of the world effectively gives support to the way they've defined their religion.

[broadstreetparade]

Whether the reasons for these attacks are for political or religious reasons makes no difference to me. The violence of Islam is deep rooted back to the time of Mohammed when Mohammed and his succesors raped, pillaged and conquered Spain, North Africa, persia all in the name of Islam. This violent ideology has continued into the present time with the failure to recognize a Jewish state and in massacres in munich, the pan am flight, and Beirut, to name a few. Islam encourages killing with the promise of redemption in the after life.

Shits going to hit the fan and a lot of innocent Muslims are going to be caught in the middle of it and people are going to argue about equal opportunity for everyone but we aren't a utopian world yet.

I say all this, like you, as a non believer.

[Riccardo]

So what? The terrorist didn't need them

????

Nm

[Irish George]

bwah!!!

So what? We are sooooo lucky he did not need them...what a break.

BTW islamic terrorism played no role in most of our domestic mass killings.

[headknocker]

I assume some of you have checked out the video's of the refugee no-go zones in Europe. If anyone questions what they're about after watching that nightmare then you're delusional. As a group, they're nothing but a headache and a financial drain as it's been estimated that 80-85% in Europe are on welfare. They also won't assimilate which pisses me off to no end.

And watch out when they grow in numbers. Bringing them here is a horrendous move..and yet Obama and Hillary want them here. Smells and looks like an agenda to me.

[Riccardo]

The point is they can kill without guns

Orlando, San Bernardino, Boston marathon. And if I remember correctly, there might have been several thousand killed sept 2001 without the use of a single gun.

[Irish George]

that's not the point at all

they can kill with a plastic shopping bag...come on.

Here's my thought for domestic gun control. A new FEDERAL law if you are convicted of a felony using a gun, 10 year minimum mandatory sentence with no time off for good behavior. No chance for parole until you do your decade.

You gun nutz can still have your guns. No changes to second amendment.

[Susquehanna Birder]

I can get behind this. Penalize the act of using the weapon for illegal acts. Make it a severely aggravating factor in sentencing.

[Riccardo]

It's exactly the point if you are seriously discussing islamic teror

they can kill with a plastic shopping bag...come on.

Here's my thought for domestic gun control. A new FEDERAL law if you are convicted of a felony using a gun, 10 year minimum mandatory sentence with no time off for good behavior. No chance for parole until you do your decade.

You gun nutz can still have your guns. No changes to second amendment.

Unless you want to keep putting your head in the sand and pretend guns are the only problem we have. I have no problem with any of these gun control laws you guys are suggesting, but if you think they will keep you and you kids safe from islamic terrorists, you're sadly mistaken.

[McCarthy12]

I support our taking in refugees. Here in Lancaster we've already settled several families. There are non-profits that help them assimilate, get jobs, etc. You need that infrastructure though and I have no idea what is set up in other places. The process for refugees to get here is onerous. It takes over a year. Theoretically I suppose a terrorist could infiltrate it but they are better off getting here any number of other ways.

All that said, with every new terrorist attack it gets easier to understand those who don't want to take refugees in here. We have grossly underestimated ISIS and we are a country faced with a legit enemy, but too war weary (understandably) to really do anything about it. In my opinion, anyway.

[RSE]

At some point the French people are seriously going to get sick of this shit.

[Eagle Road]

At some point the French people are seriously going to get sick of this shit.

And do what about it?

Not being sarcastic, serious question.