Had a pretty heated Kaepernick debate last night

[TerpEagle]

It seems that the owners have all come to the same conclusion, which doesn't necessarily surprise me.

Short-sighted that ends up back-firing into a league-wide issue. Seems about right.

[McCarthy12]

I'm willing to bet that if any particular NFL owner thought that his team would be better off both on the field and financially, by signing Kaep, they would do so. They obviously believe that the current situation will either blow over or be less financially problematic than signing him. Maybe they are wrong, but that is almost certainly their calculation right now.

[JuTMSY4]

that's where I'm at

At the end of the day, it seems like a simple risk/reward calculation by the owners with his skill level on one end and potential revenue loss on the other. It seems that the owners have all come to the same conclusion, which doesn't necessarily surprise me.

I've said this before: it isn't as simple as just finding current qb's he's better than. You have to then look at the scheme and whether it would be a fit. You have to consider how much money he wants vs. the current qb's on your roster and their salary, skill level and familiarity with the system. All of these factor in and then you add the business angle, and it probably isn't cut and dry for the majority of teams.

He's a mediocre mistake-prone QB, which is still ahead of at least 10 starters in the league, but there's more to that calculation.

[udontknowme]

He's a mediocre mistake-prone QB, which is still ahead of at least 10 starters in the league, but there's more to that calculation.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...erc_career.htm

He is the OPPOSITE of mistake prone. 2nd lowest int percentage ALL TIME.

He fumbles at a similar rate to a guy like Cam Newton.

Mediocre in his production is a stretch as well. His career quarterback rating is better then Donovan Mcnabb.

Inaccurate....that would be fair. There are more then half the teams in the league that would be better teams tomorrow if he was under center.

Its all about the protests, owner's personal beliefs, and the bottom line ($) that he's not in the league. The impossible part is figuring out how much each has to do with it, so I don't think he could win a collusion case.

[DEERSPINE GUY]

ABSOLUTELY IS COLLUSION, BUT,

WITHOUT A SHREAD OF PROOF, E MAILS, WATERGAYTE TAPES, ETC., IT'S NOT COLLUSION.

IF A TREE FALLS IN THE WOODS, AND NO ONE WAS AROUND THE TO HEAR IT, DOES IT MAKE A SOUND? COLLUSION, YES, BUT WITH NO PROOF, IS IT HAPPENING?

[Drama Queen]

Everything Slag said plus this

He's just not very good. Teams would have to tailor an offense much like they did with Tebow. Its not worth it.

If Kap can catch, he should trying making it that way, much like Pryor with the Racists.

[TerpEagle]

Meanwhile, Jeff George got resigned by 4 teams and played for 12 years, finally not returning to the NFL after he had a QB rating of 34 after 5 games.

That doesn't even include the statistical differences between their performances.

But other than that, fair point.

[TerpEagle]

He's just not very good. Teams would have to tailor an offense much like they did with Tebow. Its not worth it.

If Kap can catch, he should trying making it that way, much like Pryor with the Racists.

I'm amazed at these arguments.

Teams have to tailor their offense? But these other shlubs off the street are so well versed that they fit in just great?

[TerpEagle]

I'm willing to bet that if any particular NFL owner thought that his team would be better off both on the field and financially, by signing Kaep, they would do so. They obviously believe that the current situation will either blow over or be less financially problematic than signing him. Maybe they are wrong, but that is almost certainly their calculation right now.

They didn't sign him and this whole mess blew over. Maybe time to get new actuaries.

[Eagle Road]

Meanwhile, Jeff George got resigned by 4 teams and played for 12 years, finally not returning to the NFL after he had a QB rating of 34 after 5 games.

That doesn't even include the statistical differences between their performances.

But other than that, fair point.

Not arguing your point Terp, but asking, if this whole thing was about injustice in America I think (at least on the football side) that Doug Williams would be a better comparison than Jeff George?

Guy won a superbowl and then couldn't get signed anywhere, on top of that, he was a great influence in the locker room, but the SB win was deemed the highlight of his career and nobody else ever took a chance on him.

[PackWest]

I'm amazed at these arguments.

Teams have to tailor their offense? But these other shlubs off the street are so well versed that they fit in just great?

here's Andy Benoit from SI on the subject

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/07/c...p-quarterbacks

"The more of Kaepernick they saw, the more ways they found to exploit his failings. Not coincidentally, until last season, Kaepernick’s passer rating, TD-INT ratio, sack rating and yards per attempt declined steadily from 2013–15.

Last season’s statistical rebound was mostly artificial. The Niners went 1–10 in games that Kaepernick started, and each week, the tape revealed a startling number of plays where Kaepernick’s read was clear, but he didn’t attempt the throw. This has always been an issue with Kaepernick, and it’s one that fans can never see on paper. There’s no way to statistically capture the impact of balls that should be thrown but aren’t.

To coaches, unattempted open throws are a huge problem, probably worse than everything except turnovers."

"Tebow, in fact, was virtually the exact same scenario as Kaepernick, only more extreme. Tebow’s supporters were more ardent than Kaepernick’s, and Tebow was a markedly worse QB. NFL teams don’t care which end of the spectrum the distraction comes from. They only care that the backup quarterback brings any sort of distraction. But more than that, they care that the quarterback can’t play the way they need him to play. "

[TerpEagle]

Oh, Tebow now. He resigned with another team and had others who brought him in for a look.

The team around Kaepernick fell apart. The GM was replaced. Coaches were replaced. They're awful regardless of their QB.

But his singular regression was so poor that Tim Tebow got more looks.

[TerpEagle]

Not arguing your point Terp, but asking, if this whole thing was about injustice in America I think (at least on the football side) that Doug Williams would be a better comparison than Jeff George?

Guy won a superbowl and then couldn't get signed anywhere, on top of that, he was a great influence in the locker room, but the SB win was deemed the highlight of his career and nobody else ever took a chance on him.

Doug Williams had one season with a QB rating above 90. He threw 100 TD to 93 Ints. His career completion percentage was < 50%. His career QB rating was 69. And he won that SB at 33.

Good comparison.

[Eagle Road]

Doug Williams had one season with a QB rating above 90. He threw 100 TD to 93 Ints. His career completion percentage was < 50%. His career QB rating was 69. And he won that SB at 33.

Good comparison.

Kap's last 3 years, were hardly better, his Carreer QBR is under 90. was also under 50% cp and in 15 had 6 td's and 5 int. Not so different.

[TerpEagle]

Kap's last 3 years, were hardly better, his Carreer QBR is under 90. was also under 50% cp and in 15 had 6 td's and 5 int. Not so different.

Huh? Williams had one year over 90. His career rating is 69.

Kaepernick: Career rating 89. Lowest, not overall, 78.

Williams threw 100 TDs and 93 interceptions.

Kaepernick: 72 TDs and 30 interceptions.

Williams had a career completion percentage of 49.5

Kaepernick: Lowest percentage of 58.4. Never under 50.

Williams was 34 when he played his last season for Washington and then couldn't get another job.

Kaepernick: Turned 30 today.


I mean, I'm sure you guys can find someone who actual helps your arguments, right?