Donovan Mcnabb in hindsight

[nerd]

I agree. That's why I say he's in a separate category. Saint him. Give him free lemonade for life, give him money for a church, but unless he does it three more times...

yeah, don't know why i replied directly to you.

Yes, if he wins 3 more super bowls then i have zero issue with him having his number retired. Right now though...he's Jeff Hostetler.

[Dim Bulb]

or Marty Bystrom

yeah, don't know why i replied directly to you.

Yes, if he wins 3 more super bowls then i have zero issue with him having his number retired. Right now though...he's Jeff Hostetler.

sort of.

[JuTMSY4]

I'm with Slag. McNabb is, at present, the best QB in team history. He is also, perhaps, the best black QB of all time (Moon or Wilson might have/end up with better cases) and certainly of his era.

He also is 23rd all time in passing yards and in the top 10 in career rushing yards by a qb. I don't think he quite hits the Mark for the hall of fame, but he deserves to be in the conversation.

[Ellsworth]

those dog toys didn't chase themselves

[art vandelay]

i agree with this. i just think jersey retirement is reserved for transcendent players. mcnabb needed to either a) extended his greatness by 4-5 years, or b) win a title to make the HOF. he did neither, he's in the hall of very good, and therefore i don't think deserves the retirement.

i expect wentz to be the best QB in franchise history. i expect foles to enjoy legend status for the rest of his life, for people to cry when they meet him, and for buildings to be named after him, but unless something unforeseen happens, he's the hero who won an SB with house money. it's not worth retiring him number, but it's unique.

[IronEagle]

i agree with this. i just think jersey retirement is reserved for transcendent players. mcnabb needed to either a) extended his greatness by 4-5 years, or b) win a title to make the HOF. he did neither, he's in the hall of very good, and therefore i don't think deserves the retirement.

i expect wentz to be the best QB in franchise history. i expect foles to enjoy legend status for the rest of his life, for people to cry when they meet him, and for buildings to be named after him, but unless something unforeseen happens, he's the hero who won an SB with house money. it's not worth retiring him number, but it's unique.

An HOF player definitely deserves jersey number retired consideration, IMO

On that basis....

McNabb OUT, Dawkins IN!

[Corkey_for_President]

I agree with your points, but I despise him. That “running QB” thing was totally selfish and likely costly in terms of wins. While I ultimately blame FatFuck for botching the MeO debacle, McNabb didn’t have the sense to try to make things work.

[JuTMSY4]

If the question is, should his number be retired? I think I'm with Slag on yes. Consider them:

5 Donovan McNabb QB 1999–2009
15 Steve Van Buren HB 1944–1951
20 Brian Dawkins S 1996–2008
40 Tom Brookshier CB 1953–1961
44 Pete Retzlaff RB, WR, TE 1956–1966
60 Chuck Bednarik LB, C 1949–1962
70 Al Wistert OT 1943–1951
92 Reggie White(*) DE 1985–1992
99 Jerome Brown(*) DT 1987–1991

Curiously, only 5 (of 9) are in the HoF (or about to be in like Dawkins) and Cunningham is defacto retired.

There's only 1 Super Bowl Era QB on the list - it seems reasonable to retire the best (and one of the best of his Era) QBs' numbers in the last 50 years.

I'm fine with it. 5 is a douche but if he wasn't in, I wouldn't be that upset either.

[bobbyuk]

Actually, McNabb didn't lose those games on his own.

How many games did JJ's defense underperform? Every big playoff game except the Carolina NFCCG. They had leads in ALL of the NFCCG games (although not big leads) except Carolina and Arizona and against the Cards they came back to lead only for the defense to let Warner go on a 75 yard TD drive.

[slag]

Jerome Brown

Tom Brookshire

Al Wistert

[slag]

I didn't see this until after I posted the non-HOF guys in response to IE.

Like you, I wouldn't be howling for him to have his number retired if it wasn't ... but I don't have a problem with them doing it.

He put up the best numbers of any Eagle QB to date, during what is the most successful stretch of Eagle football since 1960 ... the fact that they didn't win it all is on him to the degree chronicled here, but he's not the only culprit and was a big reason they were legit contenders during that time.

[RSE]

Everyone of those NFC championship losses was a total team effort. That is definitely true.

[RSE]

Which reminds me I was listening to sports radio up here today and they had an NFL writer from Kansas City on today (they have a hardon for Mahomes up here because the Bills didn’t draft him and they desperately want him to fail). What’s amazing is how much they still believe in Reid there. What will it take for them to see the light?

[IronEagle]

Everyone of those NFC championship losses was a total team effort. That is definitely true.

I blame Reid (FF) much more for those losses than I blame McNabb.

Having said that, McNabb always seemed like a coddled soup salesman to me.

[IronEagle]

If the question is, should his number be retired? I think I'm with Slag on yes. Consider them:

5 Donovan McNabb QB 1999–2009
15 Steve Van Buren HB 1944–1951
20 Brian Dawkins S 1996–2008
40 Tom Brookshier CB 1953–1961
44 Pete Retzlaff RB, WR, TE 1956–1966
60 Chuck Bednarik LB, C 1949–1962
70 Al Wistert OT 1943–1951
92 Reggie White(*) DE 1985–1992
99 Jerome Brown(*) DT 1987–1991

Curiously, only 5 (of 9) are in the HoF (or about to be in like Dawkins) and Cunningham is defacto retired.

There's only 1 Super Bowl Era QB on the list - it seems reasonable to retire the best (and one of the best of his Era) QBs' numbers in the last 50 years.

I'm fine with it. 5 is a douche but if he wasn't in, I wouldn't be that upset either.

I think you have to factor in the douche factor. McNabb was nowhere near as big of a douche as Pete Rose, but I can't discount the douche factor.