Jaws doesn't believe Chip Kelly system will work in the NFL

[Melchior]

I thought Dolomite was being facetious.

[Sect 236]

If he was, my bad Dolomite...still doesn't hurt to have some facts out there that forms of Chip's offense had success (with the right QB, which we most likely don't have)

[TerpEagle]

I think the offense that Bill Belichick runs at NE with hall of famer Tom Brady would work in the NFL, but look at a good defensive team like the Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens stopped the Patriots.

The problem with comparisons like this is that they're all based off single instances. It's almost anecdotal.

It's correct that the Ravens stopped the Patriots, however the Patriots had the most prolific offense in the league last year. Because it was stopped once in a sudden death playoff does that mean it's no good? It just means that it and/or the players executing it are not flawless.

No offense or defense is perfect. Chip Kelly's offense was one of, if not the, best in college football over the last 4 years. That doesn't mean it's flawless. Anyone who expects flawlessness needs to relocate back to reality.

Edit to add:

Baltimore also had an average defense last year in both yards allowed and points allowed. So maybe for that single game they just got hot or the Patriots just got cold. That doesn't take away the result but still makes it hard to judge performance or quality from a single game.

[Dolomite]

Well if you're just looking at the numbers those teams put up it does look impressive. But
Colin Kaepernick is going to find out he's not playing in the WAC anymore. He won't be able to run around like that against NFL defenses. When someone shows me hard evidence to the contrary I'll have to agree with the Polish Rifle. It just won't work Jaws said so.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...0125585/Colin-

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...l-offense.html

[TerpEagle]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post...n-be-nfls-best

http://profootballzone.com/nfl/ron-j...s-of-all-time/

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/playo...owth-potential

[RSE]

My point was that Jaws apparently believes an offense won't work if it's ever been proved to have been shut down once, which is stupid.

That being said, what concerns me about Chip is that in the games I saw Oregon play where his offense WAS slowed, he never seemed to adjust but always played it as if his offense would eventually pick up. That reminds me of someone who is fat and wore black on Sunday for 14 seasons.

[PackWest]

Jaws doesn't know squat

All offensive schemes get stopped in the NFL, it just takes a little time for the DCs to adjust IF they have the horses to do it

Defense still wins Championships

What Chip is trying to do is to tire out the defense early in the game based on the fact that once a player gets past a certain threshold of tiredness, no amount of rest is going to bring him back that day. ( Science)

By having a very high tempo offense, its not just about the X's and O's. Its about using the pace to give yourself an advantage in the 4th quarter

IF the other NFL teams don't practice at a frenetic pace, they simply won't be able to hang with the Eagles late in a game, especially the big guys on the DL. (Tactics + Strategy)

To me, that's the potential advantage of the Chip Kelly system- stressing the mental part by using schemes they aren't used to and stressing the physical part of the defense by being fast & relentless.

"Fatigue makes cowards of us all"

What we are seeing now is the league-wide transition from Huge Guys, to faster more athletic guys. Read-option can work if you have better athletes, but the X' and O's alone won't get you where you want to go. That's why adding the fast pace component makes a big difference

Football is becoming basketball on grass instead of wrestling on grass. Line up and smashmouth is dying, while spread 'em out and tire 'em out is growing and the safety-related rules changes favor this approach

The game always evolves....

Will it work ? Time will tell but true innovation always has a place in the NFL

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[Two Gap Penetrator]

Don't you think he'll tire out his own offense?

What about THAT? IDK, I still think it's just a glorified war game in spandex. You possess the football for as long as possible, you score, you don't let the other guy possess the football, they don't score. All of this herky jerky read option sh*t just amounts to turnovers.

[Eagle In Ohio]

No one knows anything

Not me, or Maniac, or CCPete, or Terp, or Jaws, etc. etc. Nobody knows. We won't know jack until The Eagles step onto the field in an actual game. Until then, "wait and see" is all anybody can do.

[RSE]

I do believe that if a new coach is trying to install a progressive offense, the Eagles have about the least progressive fan base in the NFL to try to install it in front of.

[Eagle In Ohio]

People need to understand

that this is the NFL now. It hasn't been run the ball down the opponent's throat for years. Hell even teams like the Steelers and Ravens, who were known to have smashmouth offenses and built their teams around that, have changed with the rest of the league.

[The Ref]

He wouldn't have hired Pat Shurmur if he was going to run the same offense as Oregon's. There will be elements of it, modified for the NFL. Jaws main objection was only short passes. Yet, there for all to see was the team working on very long passes in practice.

Not exactly a genius at work, that Jaws.

[AnnapolisEagle]

What about THAT? IDK, I still think it's just a glorified war game in spandex. You possess the football for as long as possible, you score, you don't let the other guy possess the football, they don't score. All of this herky jerky read option sh*t just amounts to turnovers.

The idea is two-fold. First, it's harder to play defense because you're reacting to what the offense is doing, in particular for pass-rushers. Second, defenses that are built on match-ups or alignment (moving linebackers strong or weak, defensive backs boundary or field) need time a little more time to get themselves set up before the ball is snapped.

Like RSE, I'm worried how Kelly will cope once he's had a couple straight 3-and-outs. Running your own defense into the ground when your offense isn't clicking is a bad idea (although I think he'd argue his pace of practice and facing the offense's tempo is meant to condition the defense for just such an eventuality).

But, generally, I think Kelly wants defenses to be predictable and base his offense on fast, simple reads. (As an aside, this is where I think there's a CHANCE Vick can be effective...if he's got to read one player or maybe two to decide where the ball goes, he might be ok.)

Kelly's offense isn't some unstoppable magic trick, but no offense is. I'm sure every defensive coordinator in the NFC East has somebody cutting up tape and they'll come up with a way to defend it. Or they can just use google. There are plenty of coaching clinics out there where it's been discussed. But you can do the same thing for the West Coast Offense or anything else you can think of.

What will ultimately matter is Kelly's ability to adjust his play-calling and his schemes to maximize his players' ability while taking advantage of opponents' weaknesses. Just like every other football coach in the history of time.

-AE

[Two Gap Penetrator]

I love it when you talk dirty

Well, we'll see if he can adjust or if he's another (ie FF) coach that is married to his own philosophy and will try to ram that down the throat of the NFL. These guys have big egos and they want to prove that what they are doing is right.

[Eagle In Ohio]

I think that

Well, we'll see if he can adjust or if he's another (ie FF) coach that is married to his own philosophy and will try to ram that down the throat of the NFL. These guys have big egos and they want to prove that what they are doing is right.

the fact that he's already stated that he'll adjust his system to the personnel and not try to force his players into a system that doesn't maximize their talents, shows his willingness to adjust.