I AM NOT A HOOPS FAN AS YOU ALL KNOW BUT....

[ishimonster]

No argument here.

What about the Shaq leaving Orlando for flashy big market LA?

I hate the Lakers. Just 'cause I live on the left coast doesn't mean I support its sh*t teams with their sh*t fanbases haha. Basketball is the only sport I have two teams in though - Sixers and Clips. Lakers have got to have the most uninformed, unintelligent fan base though, can't think of any worse...

[wynnron123]

And got beat in the finals by the guy the Sixers should have drafted.

True.

[Irish George]

again, they are youngsters

is that people actually believe AI belongs in the argument. Tim Duncan was taken first overall the year after Iverson and is STILL one of the all time great clutch players. Hell, he scored the first five points for the Spurs in OT last night. That folk would consider Iverson one of the all time great Sixers is ludicrous. Just at guard I'd take Greer, Toney, Collins and Cheeks over him because they played within the team concept and excelled at their roles.

I just find it hypocritical they say Wilt "only" won two titles when comparing to Russell but don't seem to care that AI and Charles never won ONE.

[wynnron123]

I just find it hypocritical they say Wilt "only" won two titles when comparing to Russell but don't seem to care that AI and Charles never won ONE.

I don't think AI stood a chance to win one. The teams or players around him were all average to mediocre at best. I still can't believe they made it to the Finals in 2000.

Barkley in Phoenix had to face the MJ Bulls.

[DEERSPINE GUY]

I didn't include Wilt in that, just the main 3 who are most often brought up when it comes to this debate. I never had the opportunity to watch Wilt play but Bill Russell was pretty damn dominant himself, offensively and defensively.

I guess I can't say LeBron has no class... Still, while I don't give two shits about Cleveland (no offense EIO), I can't stand what those three did in Miami (Bosh as well). Look at a player like Kevin Durant - Although he has a better supporting cast than LeBron did, he's dedicated himself to that city, which is probably one of the smallest markets in the NBA. Bottom line is there's a reason why so many people hate LeDouche and nobody hates KD.

ALTHOUGH I WAS JUST A LITTLE SPINE GUY IN 1967, MY UNCLE HAD SEASON TICKETS TO THE SIXERS THAT YEAR. I GOT A CHANCE TO SEE THE GREATEST TEAM IN NBA HISTORY ABOUT A DOZEN TIMES IN THAT 66-67 SEASON.

[Irish George]

No he wasn't

I didn't include Wilt in that, just the main 3 who are most often brought up when it comes to this debate. I never had the opportunity to watch Wilt play but Bill Russell was pretty damn dominant himself, offensively and defensively.

I guess I can't say LeBron has no class... Still, while I don't give two shits about Cleveland (no offense EIO), I can't stand what those three did in Miami (Bosh as well). Look at a player like Kevin Durant - Although he has a better supporting cast than LeBron did, he's dedicated himself to that city, which is probably one of the smallest markets in the NBA. Bottom line is there's a reason why so many people hate LeDouche and nobody hates KD.

Bill Russell himself would tell you he was never a dominant offensive player. Russell played on some dominant teams and may have been the greatest champion of all time (He also won Olympic gold and an NCAA title).

[slag]

Chamberlain was clearly a better physical presence, but one story I heard about Russell was that he made whoever he played with better.

Multiple Celtic players supposedly told Francessa on FAN that Russell could play with one set of guys in practice and they would win ... then he'd change to the other set and they'd win.

According to these reports, the guy was one of those kind of players who refused to lose.

[Loki]

Havlicek stole the ball.

Russell didn't.

[Loki]

Bwah. IGitis....should have been a reply to the Slagster.

[DEERSPINE GUY]

3RD QUARTER, LEBRON 16 POINTS, PACERS 13 POINTS. DOMINATION? AHHH YUUUUUP.