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[PackWest]

Meantime, McNabb was forced to defend himself from a steady barrage from mediots, pundits, politicians, retired boxers, and idiot fans.

And "defending" himself was his biggest mistake.

Instead of rising above it, he let it get to him
Instead of handling the slings and arrows like a calm professional, he allowed his insecurities to get the better of him.
Instead of letting it roll off his back, he gave it life, he made it worse.
And the sharks smelled blood....

That's why people/media continued to bash him, because they knew they'd get a raw nerve response.

Limbaugh made millions just by poking him with his schtick

never let them see you sweat

[Irish George]

Air guitar never bothered me

Air guitar ... fine, I'm in that tent.

Owens?

No.

McNabb is way down the list of responsibility for that bullshit.

the TO thing was just one extreme example of how McNabb conducted himself in a manner you wouldn't expect of a team leader.

[TerpEagle]

Almost every Eagles fan has respect for what McNabb gave on the field. But we also like a stand-up guy and McNabb has been anything but. He and TO should have spent two or three more record-breaking years together. McNabb plays as big a role in that not happing as TO did. Stand up and admit your mistakes and be the bigger man knowing you are dealing with a talented head case in TO.

So you want a stand up guy and you're upset that TO wasn't with the Eagles long enough.

I remember you also being happy/supportive about the fight in the locker room that included TO. Stand up guys like that, huh?

[slag]

Uh ... he ran.

[Greenstealth]

Yeah he ran

Uh ... he ran.

Watch some vintage mcnabb stuff on youtube. Two very different qbs. People say he refused to run because he didn't want to be labeled. I don't know how true that is. Mcnabb was never comfortable in his own skin imo. He had chinks in his armor that morons in the media exposed.

[MD2020]

So you want a stand up guy and you're upset that TO wasn't with the Eagles long enough.

I remember you also being happy/supportive about the fight in the locker room that included TO. Stand up guys like that, huh?

Same standup guy bitched about his previous QB and the following QB. But that was probably McNabb's fault too.

[Eagle In Ohio]

Earlier on in his career, yes

Uh ... he ran.

but later on, there were plenty of opportunities for him to make plays with his feet, and he just didn't do it. he wanted to be known as a pass first, run second qb, but his ability to run is what made him a great qb.

[Mr. Triple Dip]

but later on, there were plenty of opportunities for him to make plays with his feet, and he just didn't do it. he wanted to be known as a pass first, run second qb, but his ability to run is what made him a great qb.

The lack of running later in his career bothered me at the time but when I think about it now I see a QB that experienced 3 season ending injuries trying to protect himself. Especially seeing Vick get injured every year and RG3 getting taken out his very first season in the league. It's not like McNabb never took off, but he was definitely not out there trying to make plays with his feet anymore.

[DJCon57]

And "defending" himself was his biggest mistake.

Instead of rising above it, he let it get to him
Instead of handling the slings and arrows like a calm professional, he allowed his insecurities to get the better of him.
Instead of letting it roll off his back, he gave it life, he made it worse.
And the sharks smelled blood....

That's why people/media continued to bash him, because they knew they'd get a raw nerve response.

Limbaugh made millions just by poking him with his schtick

never let them see you sweat

50% Agreed, but his biggest "mistake" was not winning.

Rodgers poked back all the time (specifically remember the slap at Cowherd after the SB win), so did P Manning...they won, so the shots against them looked stupid.

McNabb never won AND he slung back...which magnified the shots at him.
If he won and gave it back to the critics, he would have been beloved as an anti-establishment hero.

But in the end, it's all about that Lombardy

[slag]

check

[PackWest]

50% Agreed, but his biggest "mistake" was not winning.

Rodgers poked back all the time (specifically remember the slap at Cowherd after the SB win), so did P Manning...they won, so the shots against them looked stupid.

McNabb never won AND he slung back...which magnified the shots at him.
If he won and gave it back to the critics, he would have been beloved as an anti-establishment hero.

But in the end, it's all about that Lombardi

Good post and good call. Former Jet and Packer GM Ron Wolf used to say that all the time " Winners can say whatever they want"

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[3rd & Inches]

The lack of running later in his career bothered me at the time but when I think about it now I see a QB that experienced 3 season ending injuries trying to protect himself. Especially seeing Vick get injured every year and RG3 getting taken out his very first season in the league. It's not like McNabb never took off, but he was definitely not out there trying to make plays with his feet anymore.

True. I need to rewatch SB 39.

[Irish George]

what????

Show me the post whe re I said the lockerroom fight was a good thing? And don't understand your point on TOs length of service with the birds.

[TerpEagle]

Show me the post whe re I said the lockerroom fight was a good thing? And don't understand your point on TOs length of service with the birds.

http://igglephans.com/iggboard/showt...33693#poststop

I specifically remember going after you about it

[Irish George]

BWAHA!!!!great thread

but I'm talking about the dynamics of the incident once it started. No place do I say or infer that I am pleased by what went down. My entry into the thread, actually made clear (through the use of "at least") that I was conceding its not good to have such incidents and that I'm discussing the alleged details and the dynamics of locker room fights. Once it starts, nobody stands up to TO except a guy paid by the team. To me, that looks bad from a team standpoint for McNabb going forward.

I had always heard there was a big division between McNabb and almost all of the rest of the team for most of his tenure. There was a faction that talked about it openly.

This incident didn't raise his stock in the lockerroom is where I was going. You were hitting me with violence advocacy status. I'm hurt, man! :-)