Look at Ryan Grigson

[Eagle In Ohio]

Fleecing teams and shit. It's all good though, we have Howie !!!

[common wealth]

I think fleece is a little strong here. He gave up a first rounder for a running back that has 3 100 yard games in 17 starts, and a 3.5 ypc.

Granted he was behind a very bad offensive line.

[Sect 236]

Cleveland's o-line is better than Indy's. The difference is Indy has Luck and a passing game, Cleveland does not (at all).

Teams just flooded the box against the Browns, that won't happen in Indy.

[common wealth]

I'm sure he will be better in Indy than he was in Cleveland because of Luck, but I still don't think he was worth a 1st rounder. I understand Browns fans being upset, but Grigson didn't "fleece" them by any stretch IMO.

[Eagle In Ohio]

I think he's much better

I'm sure he will be better in Indy than he was in Cleveland because of Luck, but I still don't think he was worth a 1st rounder. I understand Browns fans being upset, but Grigson didn't "fleece" them by any stretch IMO.

Than you're giving him credit for, and I stand by my assessment that the Browns got fleeced, because they could have kept Richardson and still gotten the high 1st round pick that they're obviously positioning themselves for.

[Melchior]

I don't understand the trade. The extra 1st rounder isn't going to get them from #2 to #1 with the Jags sucking balls like they do. Why would you trade away a good RB when you're trying to draft a QB. You're going to want your rookie QB to be able to lean on a running game. Whatever.

[slag]

QB heavy draft ... allows them to package and move up if they need to.

[Ellsworth]

Johnny Football: come on down!

which QB's life will the Brownies ruin? Mariota? Hundley? Taj Boyd? who will it be? I guess "Hundley" goes 2nd overall to Cleveland and has his pro dreams crushed instantly.

[Melchior]

They're going to have the #3 pick at worst. Who's going to trade down with them? The Jags won't. Tampa won't. I don't understand the need for additional 1st rounders at the expense of a good-great RB that you spent a #3 overall on.

[common wealth]

Guess we'll see, there aren't many running backs that are worth a 1st round pick. I think Richardson is in the overwhelming majority of backs that are not.

[J_Cuz31]

They're going to have the #3 pick at worst. Who's going to trade down with them? The Jags won't. Tampa won't. I don't understand the need for additional 1st rounders at the expense of a good-great RB that you spent a #3 overall on.

The team to focus on here is the San Francisco 49ers. With a late first round pick and two second round picks in the 2014 NFL Draft they are ripe for the picking by Joe Banner. You know this guy is already desperate to turn that mid-first round selection he obtained from Indy into two second round picks so he can start to apply the recipe for mediocrity he perfected in Philadelphia to his new team.