If guns = ratings, it's my turn

[Whoneedsaring]

Guns

Too many here don't have a fucking clue about the statistical data and just knee jerk over a single event

And to think it will thwart violent crime one just needs to see the statistics of the most oppressive gun restrictive ownership laws areas

[da guy in france]

Read 'em an weep

Too many here don't have a fucking clue about the statistical data and just knee jerk over a single event

And to think it will thwart violent crime one just needs to see the statistics of the most oppressive gun restrictive ownership laws areas

http://transatlantic-magazine.com/gun-control-europe-vs-out-of-control-united-states/

People aren't worried about overthrowing their socialist republics I guess so no need for shitload of guns.

As far as crime rates. How much does possession of herb count vs murder ? 1 to 1 ? Guns just make it a little easier to kill people I get it but why not make it more difficult, maybe some will change their mind.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/09/gun-control

[IronEagle]

when I read the second amendment, I think it says the right of "the people" to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

It doesn't say the right of "an individual" to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

"The people" implies a group of citizens. As in: "WE, the people".

Just saying.

I mean if the founders had intended it to be interpreted in the manner favored by Gun Nuts, couldn't they have said the right of a "person" to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed?

[Eagle Road]

http://transatlantic-magazine.com/gu...united-states/

People aren't worried about overthrowing their socialist republics I guess so no need for shitload of guns.

As far as crime rates. How much does possession of herb count vs murder ? 1 to 1 ? Guns just make it a little easier to kill people I get it but why not make it more difficult, maybe some will change their mind.

Let's take a CLOSE look at the article you posted,

It claims that France has a great record of low guns violence with only 2,000 gun related deaths for the year 2009.

Just so everyone knows, in 2009 France had a population of 62 million people, it goes on to state that U.S. had ALMOST 10,000 gun deaths.

Just so everyone knows, in 2009 the U.S. had OVER 308 million people, so let's do the math, 5 x 62 million is 310 million people, now 5 x 2,000 deaths is 10,000

Somebody didn't do their homework.

Let’s take the example of France. To obtain such a license, people have to practice shooting during at least six months in a club of the official French Federation of Shooting. After the Federation has given its favorable opinion, the police investigate on criminal or mental records. If the police do not find anything, they give an authorization valid for five years. The owner must then buy his gun in a limited period of three months if he doesn’t want his authorization to expire. There is also a limitation regarding the number: a maximum of twelve guns can be detained, while in Norway, such restriction does not exist. Since the French law of 1995, it is nowadays compulsory to keep guns into a locked safe.

In France, Norway and the UK, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by the Constitution. Moreover, in each country, sale of guns and firearms must be registered and recorded.

In case of illicit possession of firearms, the maximum penalty will be seven years prison and a fine in France while in Norway the maximum penalty would only be 3 months.

Such a restrictive policy has made its mark. Indeed, no European country has more than 30% of its population possessing guns. Compared to 88% for the United States, this number looks quite insignificant. In total, the number of guns held by civilians in the US seems to be disproportionate (270,000,000) compared to the European countries, where French civilians hold only 19,000,000 guns. The UK and Norway has even a smaller result with respectively an approximate 4,000,000 and 1,300,000 guns held by civilians. These two countries have an impressively low rate of gun deaths: only 107 deaths in 2009 in Norway and 138 in the UK for the same year. Even France, the most “armed” country of Europe, had a total number of deaths by guns for 2009 under 2,000 persons. In the United States during the same period, this number was five times higher, with almost 10,000 deaths a year.

[da guy in france]

LOL I hear ya IE

when I read the second amendment, I think it says the right of "the people" to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

It doesn't say the right of "an individual" to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

"The people" implies a group of citizens. As in: "WE, the people".

Just saying.

I mean if the founders had intended it to be interpreted in the manner favored by Gun Nuts, couldn't they have said the right of a "person" to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed?

I got booted off a board just recently where the political contingent are a bunch of Teabaggers (ex-military living in the Philippines ... most of them "Living in Cebu" ) at least the more vocal ones LOL. There were some paramilitary types and what got me when I brought up what a douche Timothy McVeigh was they just zipped it up. Wow scary. Anyways they are glad for the 2nd amendment you know in case our president gets a little uppity. They banned me for expressing these type sentiments and the like. Maybe the 1st amendment should be relegated to a clause instead.

[common wealth]

Obviously more restrictive gun control laws would curb gun violence. However, a 2007 study by Harvard associates countries with the strictest gun control laws with higher murder rates than countries with more lax gun control laws.

http://www.examiner.com/article/harvard-study-shows-gun-control-doesn-t-save-lives

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

edit: does your article say that 88% of US citizens own guns?

Such a restrictive policy has made its mark. Indeed, no European country has more than 30% of its population possessing guns. Compared to 88% for the United States, this number looks quite insignificant.

that seems far from accurate.

[Riccardo]

That article is way off - 88% is ridiculous

The dope that wrote that took the 88 guns per 100 per capita and just assumed everyone has one gun. Most polls show around 43% of households have at least one gun

[Riccardo]

Yeah you're right, gun nuts have only been interested in the 2nd amendment ...

I got booted off a board just recently where the political contingent are a bunch of Teabaggers (ex-military living in the Philippines ... most of them "Living in Cebu" ) at least the more vocal ones LOL. There were some paramilitary types and what got me when I brought up what a douche Timothy McVeigh was they just zipped it up. Wow scary. Anyways they are glad for the 2nd amendment you know in case our president gets a little uppity. They banned me for expressing these type sentiments and the like. Maybe the 1st amendment should be relegated to a clause instead.

the last 6 years. Prior to that, no one cared. No wonder you got banned for spouting such idiotic drivel

[Mt Iggle]

I believe this has been ruled upon by the Supreme Court last year, and that is the law of the land whether some like it or not. Discussion is over for now what the 2nd amendment means. They told us. However, it is also true that if another Judge is named by a Democratic President replacing a Conservative Judge , then that 5-4 ruling will be reversed with the appropriate case.

[da guy in france]

Timothy McVeigh was a douche

the last 6 years. Prior to that, no one cared. No wonder you got banned for spouting such idiotic drivel

My apologies for the idiotic drivel. Paramilitary types (get a life !!!), I just say America, Love It or Leave It.

FYI I got banned for arguing with some guy that since there are a bunch of sore losers who can't get over having a president with a different color and name, IMNHO. He believed that so many still believe he was born in Kenya that there must be some truth to the rumor. I juxtaposed that many people believe that Christ was not the son of god, merely a great man. You got a problem with that ?