Would the Eagles have had more leverage if they had kept Desean Jackson

[weizer]

You still just aren't getting it

That's the bottom line here. They asked him to perform, and he did, to the level that it was the best year he's ever had as a pro. he performed the way they wanted him to, and for that production, he was paid accordingly. Chip keeps saying that he wasn't a fit for what they wanted him to do, yet he put up 1,300 yards receiving, and even with him not blocking, Shady somehow ended up leading the league in rushing.

Is desean jackson 6-3+ & a good blocker? How can you say he performed the way the wanted him to, when they cut him after that season? He didn't block, took plays off, and disappeared in the playoffs. And they didn't just give him a new contract after the career year(although he wanted one again 2 years after signing the other). Maybe Shady could have had even more yards if he blocked. It all boils down to Chip didn't want him from the getgo, he was a luxury and basically they laughed at the league by abusing their coverage choices with him repeatedly.

[TerpEagle]

But it still doesn't make sense. Teams pay for performance. DeSean Jackson had a career year in his first year in that system. I think it's reasonable to think that he would only get better as he became more comfortable. If he had only put up 700 yards with 2 TD's, I don't think that anyone could blame them for letting him go. The numbers justify his pay rate, IMO. It's gonna send a real bad sign if it gets players to thinking that even if they perform at their absolute best, they'll be cut because the Eagles don't want to pay for that production.

Apparently the numbers didn't justify his pay rate. He is getting paid 20% less after hitting the open market. That doesn't even take into account the value the Eagles place on the WR position and the relevant skill set he brings vs. what they may want at the position.

Going by the Iron Bank of Braavos method and only looking at the numbers, why did he get paid less if his production deemed he deserved a pay rate of $10 million a year?

And before you go down the "sticking it to the Eagles" path - assuming he really was worth $10 million per year, do you really think he'd give up $2 million a year just so he could play the Eagles twice. It's not like he's going to the Patriots on a pre-retirement deal to get a ring.

[Greenstealth]

Do you still think it was a good idea to let go of Jackson before the draft?

[Eagle In Ohio]

He's getting paid less because he was cut and smeared

Apparently the numbers didn't justify his pay rate. He is getting paid 20% less after hitting the open market. That doesn't even take into account the value the Eagles place on the WR position and the relevant skill set he brings vs. what they may want at the position.

Going by the Iron Bank of Braavos method and only looking at the numbers, why did he get paid less if his production deemed he deserved a pay rate of $10 million a year?

And before you go down the "sticking it to the Eagles" path - assuming he really was worth $10 million per year, do you really think he'd give up $2 million a year just so he could play the Eagles twice. It's not like he's going to the Patriots on a pre-retirement deal to get a ring.

If he had been cut, and the Eagles let teams know that there were absolutely no problems with DeSean Jackson, that they just wanted to move in a different direction, there would have been no shortage of teams lining up to pay him 10 million per based on last season's output. The Eagles decided to let the gang talk sit and fester for a little while, before coming out with a feeble attempt to dispel those rumors, thus lowering his value

[JDuggernaut]

We all get it

Is desean jackson 6-3+ & a good blocker? How can you say he performed the way the wanted him to, when they cut him after that season? He didn't block, took plays off, and disappeared in the playoffs. And they didn't just give him a new contract after the career year(although he wanted one again 2 years after signing the other). Maybe Shady could have had even more yards if he blocked. It all boils down to Chip didn't want him from the getgo, he was a luxury and basically they laughed at the league by abusing their coverage choices with him repeatedly.

You just never liked DeSean Jackson for whatever reason. If you'd just admit that and get it out there, people wouldn't feel the need to bicker with you. I mean, it's fine if you didn't like him. It's misguided, especially with your affinity for Riley Cooper (who had been looking up at mediocre for 3 and half years til he finished last year in a strong way), but you have the right not to like DJax.

[TerpEagle]

Do you still think it was a good idea to let go of Jackson before the draft?

I still think that there was little benefit to keep him past the time they did given that he was not in the future plans of the Eagles and the negative press was reaching a critical mass.

I don't think the fact that Johnson was traded would have meant Jackson would have gotten traded if he was kept until the draft. Johnson's cap hit is only 3.9 million in 2014 and he had three consecutive 1000 yard seasons prior to a down year in 2013. They both entered the NFL in 2008:

Jackson has averaged 1020 yards and 6.5 TDs over his career and Johnson 640 and 5.6. Johnson was injured most of 2009, so 2010 through 2013 the numbers for Jackson are 1012/5.8 and Johnson are 930/6.5.

Does Jackson seems worth $6 million more (2.5x of Johnson's salary)? Even $4 million more which is what he got?

Possibly the Browns would have traded something due to the Gordon news but they knew about it 2 weeks ago and passed on Watkins and every other receiver in the draft - each of which would be much cheaper than Jackson and many considered to have higher ceilings. Watkins will likely make around $20 million over 4 years. Desean Jackson at $10 million per year would have been a sweeter looking option?

Like I said to EiO, the Redskins proved that Jackson's contract was too expensive and it was a well-known that he wasn't in the future plans of the Eagles so keeping him around would probably just have been an ongoing distraction for the Eagles.

Maybe someone would have tossed the Eagles a bone but I doubt it. Once again, not many draft day trades of current players occurred. I think only Johnson and Brown were the current NFL players traded for picks. If I missed someone, let me know.

[TerpEagle]

If he had been cut, and the Eagles let teams know that there were absolutely no problems with DeSean Jackson, that they just wanted to move in a different direction, there would have been no shortage of teams lining up to pay him 10 million per based on last season's output. The Eagles decided to let the gang talk sit and fester for a little while, before coming out with a feeble attempt to dispel those rumors, thus lowering his value

The power of smear. 30 NFL teams thought that Jackson's possible connections were so egregious that they couldn't do their due diligence in time to convince him to stop in for a visit when he was already being offered 20% less than his previous contract.

Amazing.

[weizer]

How

If he had been cut, and the Eagles let teams know that there were absolutely no problems with DeSean Jackson, that they just wanted to move in a different direction, there would have been no shortage of teams lining up to pay him 10 million per based on last season's output. The Eagles decided to let the gang talk sit and fester for a little while, before coming out with a feeble attempt to dispel those rumors, thus lowering his value

was he smeared? They were silent for a month after and then said it was a football decision...i guess you don't understand what a smear is. The media may have smeared him by saying he had gang ties, but the Eagles FO didn't.

[Greenstealth]

I don't know if they would have been able to deal him but you have to admit, there was a really good possibility of Cleveland sweetening the deal at 22. It made no sense to cut him when they did which is what I was harping about back when they did it. Howie fucked up.

[TerpEagle]

I don't know if they would have been able to deal him but you have to admit, there was a really good possibility of Cleveland sweetening the deal at 22. It made no sense to cut him when they did which is what I was harping about back when they did it. Howie fucked up.

Given that Cleveland clearly was looking to add a WR you must be right.

[weizer]

I have said many times i enjoyed watching Djax

You just never liked DeSean Jackson for whatever reason. If you'd just admit that and get it out there, people wouldn't feel the need to bicker with you. I mean, it's fine if you didn't like him. It's misguided, especially with your affinity for Riley Cooper (who had been looking up at mediocre for 3 and half years til he finished last year in a strong way), but you have the right not to like DJax.

But he didn't fit what Chip wanted in his receivers...obviously Cooper does. Sorry bout your luck if you are a djax fan. Coop blocks, and can get open when he needs to, him and Foles have an awesome connection, how bout you just admit that? Mejax will struggle to get enough balls thrown his way in Washington, remember i said that. I have seen Riley Cooper make some of the sickest catches in Eagles history when he has gotten playing time. Look at all the one handers, and that one in the snow game last season, are you serious? He didn't even get playing time his first few years, you can't judge a career on that...i will say Mejax is a horrible postseason player, he disappears when guys focus on taking him away with press coverage. As a regular season player, Djax is good, really good season last year but Chip never wanted him.

[weizer]

Given that Cleveland clearly was looking to add a WR you must be right.

They didn't even draft a receiver. They are going to be a running team this year supposedly. No way they would have given anything for Djax if they didn't even draft a receiver.

[Greenstealth]

Right? Right like wide receivers never get traded in the draft? Maybe Cleveland sweetens the pot maybe they don't, what did they gain by releasing him before the draft? You still have never answered that question which would give your defense of the maneuver some backbone (which it still lacks and makes you come off as just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative).

[JDuggernaut]

But he didn't fit what Chip wanted in his receivers...obviously Cooper does. Sorry bout your luck if you are a djax fan. Coop blocks, and can get open when he needs to, him and Foles have an awesome connection, how bout you just admit that? Mejax will struggle to get enough balls thrown his way in Washington, remember i said that. I have seen Riley Cooper make some of the sickest catches in Eagles history when he has gotten playing time. Look at all the one handers, and that one in the snow game last season, are you serious? He didn't even get playing time his first few years, you can't judge a career on that...i will say Mejax is a horrible postseason player, he disappears when guys focus on taking him away with press coverage. As a regular season player, Djax is good, really good season last year but Chip never wanted him.

I just can't take anyone seriously who looks at players like Jackson and Cooper and comes away with what you have to say about them. I'd like for Cooper to prove you right as long as he's an Eagle, but you and I don't seem to be looking at the same player. You say Chip made Jackson the player he is (not true, but whatever) but seem to think Cooper was a superstar just waiting to happen. I think you are right that Jackson doesn't appear to be the type of receiver Kelly wants (for reasons unbeknownst to me), but that's about it

[weizer]

Right? Right like wide receivers never get traded in the draft? Maybe Cleveland sweetens the pot maybe they don't, what did they gain by releasing him before the draft? You still have never answered that question which would give your defense of the maneuver some backbone (which it still lacks and makes you come off as just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative).

They didn't even draft a receiver you jackwagon...why do u keep going on about Cleveland. Man you just go from one agenda to the next, it's like Maury Povich up on here now.