Ugh...we just lost tom gamble

[wynnron123]

Either Roseman or Kelly were in charge. Gamble wasn't making final decisions.

Please foward that to Ref.

[wynnron123]

It's doesn't take a genius to figure out Roseman and Chip are not going to be able to co exist that much longer. Lurie already made his decision yesterday and now Chip will make his soon. This could be over sooner rather than later. Harbaugh Part II.

Or Saban Part II.. The Dolphins FO were more screwed up than the Eagles.

[Anthony]

From the National Football Post:



Tom Gamble and the Philadelphia Eagles “mutually” part ways

Two years ago, after being interviewed for the Philadelphia Eagles head coaching job, Chip Kelly turned down the job and announced he would be staying at Oregon. A short time later, Kelly did an about face and accepted the position. One of the reasons was that he was going to be allowed to hand pick his own personnel guy. That guy turned out to be Tom Gamble who, at the time, was a personnel executive with the San Francisco 49ers. While Howie Roseman remained as general manager, Gamble was Kelly’s hand-picked guy and carried a lot of weight in draft and other personnel decisions. In essence, that took away some of Roseman’s power.

When you look at how the Eagles have drafted and what they have done in free agency the last two years, a grade of “average” may be too nice. According to some in the know, the scouting department lost clout in the process, and most personnel decisions were made more on coaches' opinions rather than scouts, with Gamble siding with the coaches.

With the Eagles losing three out of their last four games and missing the playoffs, Roseman had a chance to regain some of his lost control and jumped at it. That meant Gamble was out. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the offseason plays out as far as free agency signings and the draft. I expect Roseman will have a lot more “say” in who the Eagles draft/sign in 2015.

[Melchior]

Yep! Roseman who has been the GM for the last 5 yrs while the Eagles haven't won a playoff game since his tenure.. Chip porbably saved Roseman's job just for getting him here.. Not many rookie HCs' come into the league and turn a shitty team from 4-12 to 10-6 like that. My bad a colllege inexperienced NFL HC.

2014 is irrelevant. The lawyer =Amaro and you want the dart throwing fantasy football board weasle lawyer back? Unbelievable..

Yes, I'm sure Roseman was salivating to take Josh fucking Huff in the 3rd round.

Edit: I'm not saying that Chip is a bad coach, but this past draft looks like it has his hands all over it and that's not a particularly good thing. If Gamble was his "personnel" guy who was advising him on these picks, then I want that guy gone. 2012 was probably one of the best draft classes ever, but you don't draft Cox, Kendricks, Curry, Foles and Boykin in the same draft by accident. The Eagles probably had the best draft in the league, next to the Seahawks.

Now, how much influence Roseman had during the 2011/2012 drafts is debatable. But I find it more likely that it was someone new making the draft picks in 2012, rather than Reid suddenly being able to draft 2 stud pass rushers and a stud linebacker in the same draft.

Remember, 2011 was chock full of OL and I believe they took a FB (Havili) in the 7th round. Kelce ended up being a stud, but that draft just smelled like a Reid draft. The next year they draft 2 defensive players from the SEC and a stud ILB which had been a need for years.

2013, Lane Johnson was a very solid pick at #4. Zach Ertz in the 2nd and another SEC defensive lineman (starter) in Bennie Logan in the 3rd. They make a good value pick with Barkley in the 4th. Solid draft. 3 new starters.

2014... A converted defensive player from Lousville that mostly produced on stunts and in space and showed no real technical ability. Matthews was a good pick. Huff has potential but wasn't mentally ready. Watkins didn't see the field most of the season.

It produced a slot receiver, a rotational/ST receiver and a rotational NT.

There was a philosophical change in drafting from 2012/13 to 2014 and it's obvious which way the power was shifting.

[Maniac]

Bailing now would hurt Chip's career.

How so? Lots of football people wouldn't work with Howie. Chip could easily find another gig.

I don't understand why Lurie took Howie's side. He can't be ignorant of the ramifications. He must be more interested in keeping Roseman than Kelly. You can't have the GM and the head coach at each other's throat.

I guess the rift could be overblown but there sure is a lot of reporting to the contrary.

[Maniac]

Yes, I'm sure Roseman was salivating to take Josh fucking Huff in the 3rd round.

Edit: I'm not saying that Chip is a bad coach, but this past draft looks like it has his hands all over it and that's not a particularly good thing.

Roseman's resume vs. Kelly's is no contest. If your goal is winning a Super Bowl, you take Chip.

What has Howie ever done beyond career advancement?

[J_Cuz31]

What has Howie ever done beyond career advancement?

He convinced his boss that he was responsible for all the team's successful personnel decisions while scapegoating others for the team's poorer personnel decisions. He wrestled power from his boss'es best friend from childhood, the team's longest tenured head coach and the highest paid coach in the NFL.

This shit is far deeper than chip v. Howie Clownman.

The term is "svengali."

[Maniac]

He convinced his boss that he was responsible for all the team's successful personnel decisions while scapegoating others for the team's poorer personnel decisions. He wrestled power from his boss'es best friend from childhood, the team's longest tenured head coach and the highest paid coach in the NFL.

This shit is far deeper than chip v. Howie Clownman.

The term is "svengali."

You gotta give props to anybody who could backstab The Rat.

[Melchior]

Roseman's resume vs. Kelly's is no contest. If your goal is winning a Super Bowl, you take Chip.

What has Howie ever done beyond career advancement?

Kelly has no resume of drafting NFL players. Recruiting HS kids doesn't count. If every good coach was a good personnel guy, Reid wouldn't have let his roster disintegrate in to dog shit.

People are shitting on Howie, while licking Gamble's balls and no one knows what the fuck either of them were responsible for.

Look at his Oregon teams. They were never the most talented teams. They were just extremely well-coached. Everyone assumed that he was going to have an inside track on college players and that may just not be the case.

[Maniac]

Kelly has no resume of drafting NFL players. Recruiting HS kids doesn't count. If every good coach was a good personnel guy, Reid wouldn't have let his roster disintegrate in to dog shit.

People are shitting on Howie, while licking Gamble's balls and no one knows what the fuck either of them were responsible for.

Who are the all-pros Howie has drafted? What's in Howies trophy case?

Gamble was collateral damage. Probably an average NFL guy. But a guy Kelly related to.

The real issue is having the head coach and GM at odds.

[ishimonster]

I really believe they shit the bed with the Marcus Smith pick. I'm convinced HaHa (S) or even Cooks (WR) were the targets and they missed out - poor maneuvering (or a lack thereof).

Still, maybe Smith was the highest rated player on their board at a position of need. Who knows if another team was planning on taking him late in the 1st. That being said I don't understand why they didn't trade down again. They just got fucked/fucked themselves.

[ishimonster]

We all know that Chip has too much loyalty to former Ducks. I guess it's the familiarity. I still think Josh Huff will end up being a good receiver. Jaylen Watkins was a Howie pick…

[J_Cuz31]

We all know that Chip has too much loyalty to former Ducks. I guess it's the familiarity. I still think Josh Huff will end up being a good receiver. Jaylen Watkins was a Howie pick…

Clearly, about the only thing we know for sure about Howie is Fredo was his favorite character in the godfather.

[Ellsworth]

He's the ONLY GM in the NFL with a radio show.

That says everything I need to know about the guy. Go do your job, jagoff.

[McCarthy12]

Yes. It's ridiculous as a concept to begin with, but then it's also stab-me-in-the-ear bad. Painful to listen to.