This protest tonight

[Eagle Road]

Probably because that's not true and you're a moron if you think that's what political dissent constitutes.

Then what is all of the flag stomping/burning, and antics during the Anthem about? I can see the protest, I can see people wanting change, but I also lived through the protests of the 60's this has a completely different "feel" to it?

Some of this BLM movement has gone far beyond political dissent, it HAS racial overtones, this is more "us vs. them" BS.

[TerpEagle]

Then what is all of the flag stomping/burning, and antics during the Anthem about? I can see the protest, I can see people wanting change, but I also lived through the protests of the 60's this has a completely different "feel" to it?

Some of this BLM movement has gone far beyond political dissent, it HAS racial overtones, this is more "us vs. them" BS.

I wonder how many people your age said the same thing in the 1960s.

[Eagle Road]

I wonder how many people your age said the same thing in the 1960s.

I would like to believe we have come a long way from the days of segregation and public lynchings.

Personally, I think a lot of this has to do with the people that voted a guy into office that thought he was going to open a magic door for them, and all they got out of it was a cell phone.

But that is just an old white guys opinion.

[TerpEagle]

I would like to believe we have come a long way from the days of segregation and public lynchings.

Personally, I think a lot of this has to do with the people that voted a guy into office that thought he was going to open a magic door for them, and all they got out of it was a cell phone.

But that is just an old white guys opinion.

And in the 1960s old white guys thought we had come a long way from slavery.

To your point, the opposition party and candidate who openly questioned the legitimacy of the President is the one that is arguing the American is broken.

Sounds like America hating to me.

[Eagle Road]

And in the 1960s old white guys thought we had come a long way from slavery.

To your point, the opposition party and candidate who openly questioned the legitimacy of the President is the one that is arguing the American is broken.

Sounds like America hating to me.

Ok, let me put it in plain english, I "feel" as though I have not held any minorities down or caused anyone any harm or issues related to race, I have always had a great working relationship with any minority workers that I have hired, so who do I owe what?

I am sure there are millions of other white Americans that feel the same way.

[TerpEagle]

Ok, let me put it in plain english, I "feel" as though I have not held any minorities down or caused anyone any harm or issues related to race, I have always had a great working relationship with any minority workers that I have hired, so who do I owe what?

I am sure there are millions of other white Americans that feel the same way.

You're one self-aware guy.

[Eagle Road]

You're one self-aware guy.

So, no answer?

[TerpEagle]

So, no answer?

You think that you treat minority subordinates well so therefore you think that other people drawing attention to and dissenting against what they perceive to be unequal treatment across racial lines is akin to hating America.

That's what you've stated here. Things are good for you, so everyone else should just stop bitching.

I don't know what else to say, dude.

I'm not surprised you think it isn't a problem given that you don't identify as part of the group trying to achieve equality. I've never seen empathy as one of your defining characteristics.

[Eagle Road]

You think that you treat minority subordinates well so therefore you think that other people drawing attention to and dissenting against what they perceive to be unequal treatment across racial lines is akin to hating America.

That's what you've stated here. Things are good for you, so everyone else should just stop bitching.

I don't know what else to say, dude.

I'm not surprised you think it isn't a problem given that you don't identify as part of the group trying to achieve equality. I've never seen empathy as one of your defining characteristics.

Let's get a couple of things straight Terp, I don't "think" that I have treated minorities well, I have been told that from those people first hand.

Secondly, I have no issue with peaceful protest, and personally, I think a HELL of a lot more was accomplished by peaceful protest in the 60's than what is being accomplished today with burning businesses, blocking roadways, beating people up, and so on, that is part of the hate I was referring to!

When YOU have put as much time, money, and effort into disaster relief for people of ALL walks of life as I have, then maybe you can school me on empathy, you assume an awful lot for a guy you have never looked in the eye or shaken his hand.

[TerpEagle]

Let's get a couple of things straight Terp, I don't "think" that I have treated minorities well, I have been told that from those people first hand.

Secondly, I have no issue with peaceful protest, and personally, I think a HELL of a lot more was accomplished by peaceful protest in the 60's than what is being accomplished today with burning businesses, blocking roadways, beating people up, and so on, that is part of the hate I was referring to!

When YOU have put as much time, money, and effort into disaster relief for people of ALL walks of life as I have, then maybe you can school me on empathy, you assume an awful lot for a guy you have never looked in the eye or shaken his hand.

You specifically said you "feel" as though you've treated minorities well. That's great. I assume you have. That doesn't mean that that's the case across the entire nation. Just because something doesn't affect you specifically doesn't mean there isn't an issue for others. Arguing that things are ok because they're ok in your personal interactions is a prime example of lacking empathy.

If you think there wasn't more than just peaceful protest in the 1960s, I don't know what Civil Rights movement you experienced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_r..._United_States

Regardless, the vast majority of protests happening today are peaceful. Kneeling or raising a fist during the national anthem is peaceful. Marching in the street is peaceful. Blocking traffic was very much a part of the peaceful protests marches in the 1960s.

Protesters and press have been assaulted at Trump rallies. I guess the Trump movement is violent and America hating according to your definition.

I question your empathy, because the entire argument you were making was based on how you feel you treat minorities that work for you. And you said you are sure that there are millions of white Americans that feel that way. I mean, you said that. Seriously.

[Eagle Road]

You specifically said you "feel" as though you've treated minorities well. That's great. I assume you have. That doesn't mean that that's the case across the entire nation. Just because something doesn't affect you specifically doesn't mean there isn't an issue for others. Arguing that things are ok because they're ok in your personal interactions is a prime example of lacking empathy.

If you think there wasn't more than just peaceful protest in the 1960s, I don't know what Civil Rights movement you experienced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_r..._United_States

Regardless, the vast majority of protests happening today are peaceful. Kneeling or raising a fist during the national anthem is peaceful. Marching in the street is peaceful. Blocking traffic was very much a part of the peaceful protests marches in the 1960s.

Protesters and press have been assaulted at Trump rallies. I guess the Trump movement is violent and America hating according to your definition.

I question your empathy, because the entire argument you were making was based on how you feel you treat minorities that work for you. And you said you are sure that there are millions of white Americans that feel that way. I mean, you said that. Seriously.

I treat minorities just like I treat everyone else, I 'FEEL" I treated them well because that is what I have been told, not hard to understand.

As far as the Trump rallies go, most of the people that I see bloody are Trump supporters getting beat up, but that may be just my perception, I guess my question would be, why are there even protesters at a Trump rally, shouldn't everyone be able to vote for whomever they want without fear of reprisal?

I FULLY realize there was a lot of violence during the 60's but YOU didn't comprehend what I said, which was 'More was accomplished by peaceful protest".

And yes, I do believe there are millions of white Americans that feel the same way, and you missed my whole point btw, it wasn't shut up and sit down, it was "who do I owe what" IOW, what fixes this!

[TerpEagle]

I treat minorities just like I treat everyone else, I 'FEEL" I treated them well because that is what I have been told, not hard to understand.

As far as the Trump rallies go, most of the people that I see bloody are Trump supporters getting beat up, but that may be just my perception, I guess my question would be, why are there even protesters at a Trump rally, shouldn't everyone be able to vote for whomever they want without fear of reprisal?

I FULLY realize there was a lot of violence during the 60's but YOU didn't comprehend what I said, which was 'More was accomplished by peaceful protest".

And yes, I do believe there are millions of white Americans that feel the same way, and you missed my whole point btw, it wasn't shut up and sit down, it was "who do I owe what" IOW, what fixes this!

I don't even know what to address with you anymore.

First you said you think a lot of people hate America in a thread specifically about protesting the anthem.

Then you moved to the idea that the protests today feel different than the effective protests of the past and are too violent, not addressing the violence in the 60's.

Then you blamed Obama for racial divisiveness in America - that was a nice little slip in.

Then you said that millions of white Americans like you are treating minorities great - what's the problem?

No you say, duh!, only the peaceful protests were effective, but still what can be done?

I can see these protesters are really putting you out. If only they'd just love America the right way.

[Eagle Road]

I don't even know what to address with you anymore.

First you said you think a lot of people hate America in a thread specifically about protesting the anthem.

Then you moved to the idea that the protests today feel different than the effective protests of the past and are too violent, not addressing the violence in the 60's.

Then you blamed Obama for racial divisiveness in America - that was a nice little slip in.

Then you said that millions of white Americans like you are treating minorities great - what's the problem?

No you say, duh!, only the peaceful protests were effective, but still what can be done?

I can see these protesters are really putting you out. If only they'd just love America the right way.

Hey, it's a complex issue, one size doesn't fit all and there are all types of avenues this discussion could take.



I guess I don't see protesting the Anthem or burning the countries flag as anything positive, it just pisses a lot people off, so is that what will help, getting people pissed off and pointing fingers?

I think if you desecrate the flag or protest during the Anthem that you don't "love" the country, at least not as I do, and again, that is my perspective, redneck as it may be.

Boy Terp, you sure can twist words, never said Obama was the cause of the racial tension, I do think a lot of people that voted him into office feel they have been manipulated, he ran on a platform specifically aimed at getting young Black's employed, and shovel ready jobs, it just hasn't happened, but he has no issue bring non citizens into country?

Didn't ask what the problem was, I asked what the fix is, again, comprehension is not your strong suite is it?

Times your's!

[Eagle In Ohio]

Well, to be fair

Then what is all of the flag stomping/burning, and antics during the Anthem about? I can see the protest, I can see people wanting change, but I also lived through the protests of the 60's this has a completely different "feel" to it?

Some of this BLM movement has gone far beyond political dissent, it HAS racial overtones, this is more "us vs. them" BS.

America STARTED the "us vs them" BS.

[Eagle Road]

America STARTED the "us vs them" BS.

EIO, any chance you could expand on that, just want to make sure I'm not making a wrong assumption on what you are saying.