Listening to Roseman PC makes me ill

[JuTMSY4]

Brandon Graham was on the field

I think he needs another year. See Brandon Graham. It took him a while to develop.

How many snaps did Mucus get? 100?

[BigSlizz]

He wasn't his rookie season under FF. I'm no Smith lover. My realistic expectation is that he comes to camp and competes for his job, comes into the season in the same role he had this year, and then maybe he surprises.

We need too many CBs, and possibly a DT if Logan walks, to let young guys go at DE.

[Cheesesteak]

Grigson is getting canned. He's awful.

Roseman is a cockroach you just cannot kill. He will take Douglas out before he threatens his throne. Watch.

I have a different take...I think/hope Howie knows if he doesn't get results SOON, he'll be gone and perhaps that is why they brought in Douglas, a guy who actually knows what he's doing.

I believe the GM should be a guy who surrounds himself with better talent than themselves....Howie can keep doing what HE'S good at, contracts.

[BigSlizz]

I think there's harmony at the top of the organization right now, and that will be the first step in things going right. Pedes isn't going to rock the boat, so let's hope we see more drafts like this past one.

[Ellsworth]

He's the Jeff Fisher of general managers ERRRRRRRRRR I mean EVP of Football Operations.

[wynnron123]

The Lawyer will once again throw darts at the board

Anyone thinks otherwise is only fooling themselves. Remember Chip had this guy in the basement. Howie is all about power and control, look no further than the HC he recommended to be hired

[AthensEagle]

They want to make sure they don't get tossed from the pressbox.

[phillyeagles36]

I said it all season, Douglas has to be the one running this draft. He has a tremendous track record and reputation as a talent evaluator. Hearing he is in control of the big board and draft decisions was huge for me but I hope the little rat Howie let's him do his damn job. Agree with what McCarthy had to say. Stay in your lane, and let people do their jobs in the area they specialize in.

[Ellsworth]

What really pisses me off was how he went so jilted wife on Chip's picks to the point that it hurt the team.

I hated trading Rowe then and hate it even more now. There's absolutely no football related reason Roseman should have traded Rowe (ESPECIALLY TO NEW ENGLAND) for pennies on the dollar when your other options are a rookie, McKelvin, and Carroll.

He made it personal and that's a fireable offense IMO.

[JuTMSY4]

Seems to me. the trade was a numbers game at the time. They had 4 CBs ahead of Rowe and almost had to cut him.

If you don't want Howie to make the dinner (just buy the groceries) and the cook (Pedo) tells him to toss something out because he can't use it, it sounds like he's turning lemons into lemonade.

Rowe wasn't playing better than Carroll or McKelvin or Brooks and apparently Mills. I get the trade. This isn't the hill to die on.

[Ellsworth]

Rowe is playing pretty well in NE. Maybe because they have real coaching and know how to use him?

Also, he was on year 2 of a rookie contract. That's a cap strapped team wet dream. He played pretty well as a rookie, at least well enough for him to have a roster spot and come in and play in the (likely) event Carroll and mckelvin get burnt like Elvis toast Patterson.

If rowe was a Howie pick there's no fucking chance in hell that trade goes down. None.

The eagles had, by far, the worst starting corners in the league. Since Roseman was all about "building the right way" wouldn't it have made sense to bench those 2 travestys and start a 2nd yesr player and a rookie to see if they can cut it? They (not we) did that with QB, why not CB? Because rowe was chip's guy and Howie is a small, vindictive, bitter little fuck. That's why.

[JuTMSY4]

If rowe was a Howie pick there's no fucking chance in hell that trade goes down. None.

The eagles had, by far, the worst starting corners in the league. Since Roseman was all about "building the right way" wouldn't it have made sense to bench those 2 travestys and start a 2nd yesr player and a rookie to see if they can cut it? They (not we) did that with QB, why not CB? Because rowe was chip's guy and Howie is a small, vindictive, bitter little fuck. That's why.

Rowe sucked here. I don't recall people being terribly upset about the trade and most people thought he would do better in NE because NE. This is a bit of revisionist history. The idea of Rowe starting after getting toasted in 2015 is ridiculous. Plus, Jeeeem, wasn't in on him - right or wrong, I get it.

Also, if Rowe was a Chip pick, then Howie isn't responsible for Chip drafts right? So then, Maybe Howie really was only responsible for the 2012 draft and is actually a genius. Probably not.

God, I hate being a Howie Huffer, but I really think it's still "jury's out" for Howie. Whether that's fair or not, because I don't know what the hell he was responsible for since 2009. But I do think the Eagles are a lot closer than people give them credit for. Chip fucked this team and it's going to take another year or two to unfuckulate.

[McCarthy12]

Yeah, that's the problem - it's impossible to know what Howie was responsible for and what he wasn't responsible for. I think Lurie was right about one thing, that there needs to be accountability. Howie will be accountable now. It's his show, regardless of whether Douglas is running the draft or not.

That's how it should be. If Douglas crushes it, Howie deserves some of the credit because he brought him in. If Douglas blows it or if Howie inserts himself too much and blows it himself, he should be gone, because, again, it's ultimately his show. No more mystery.

[JuTMSY4]

eh

Yeah, that's the problem - it's impossible to know what Howie was responsible for and what he wasn't responsible for. I think Lurie was right about one thing, that there needs to be accountability. Howie will be accountable now. It's his show, regardless of whether Douglas is running the draft or not.

That's how it should be. If Douglas crushes it, Howie deserves some of the credit because he brought him in. If Douglas blows it or if Howie inserts himself too much and blows it himself, he should be gone, because, again, it's ultimately his show. No more mystery.

You're right, that's my problem with the whole thing. If you give him everything from 09 on, Howie has made downright brilliant moves (Wentz, trading Badford) to awful ones (Smith II, Agholor, letting Maclin walk). Don't know who the real Howie is, if he wasn't responsible for everything.

Depending on how things go a few years from now, it's not unfathomable that Howie scapegoats Douglas. Hopefully not, but we've seen this movie for 20 years, we know how it goes.

[Ellsworth]

Rowe was a safety in college and played corner his senior year before the eagles used a high pick on him. If nothing else you should let him stick around to see if he can pull a Malcolm Jenkins kind of switch. Especially after you just used a second round draft pick on him the previous year and he's locked up for a few more years at a rookie salary when you have salary cap issues.

Maybe he never pans out at corner but they gave him away far too quickly. The fact Hoodie wanted to trade a pick for him, well that alone would make me keep him. If he sees something in towe and had a draft worthy grade on him I sure as hell would want to keep him and see if I can develop him myself over taking a 4th rounder.

He's not Deion Sanders but I saw some promising things out of Rowe after the Calvin Johnson debacle. I'd have kept him and tried to make him a starter here st CB or S. If he was Howie's guy that would have been the case.

I'm not willing to give Roseman the benefit of the doubt that he won't go dictator again and overrule football guys on draft day. If he stuck to capology and trading picks maybe I can tolerate his presence. But I don't think that's in his DNA. he wants the spotlight. He wants to prove he's as good at identifying talent as the guys who are on the road 300 days a year. His track record of throat cutting and back stabbing is well documented. I'll never trust him to right this ship. Ever. The sooner he's gone the better.