Generalisimo Francisco Franco

[slag]

is still dead.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/24/77302...-legal-battles

[IronEagle]

All jokes aside, Spain has had a pretty brutal history. The country is culturally rich but it has been fought over for centuries. Moors, Christians, Jews. I imagine that is what it makes it culturally rich. The mix of the different influences.

The original Spanish governments after the Moors were defeated attempted and for the most part succeeded to expel Muslims and Jews. We are talking multiple hundreds of years ago.

Thing is, you go to a city like Cordoba or Toledo and you see the beauty of what these different cultures created.

Franco would never have allowed Jews or Muslims back into Spain.

The current government has a program where a descendant of Jewish people that were expelled from Spain can apply for citizenship. You need to take a basic history and language test to gain citizenship.

We will see how that goes. I know a number of people who are taking Spanish classes to achieve that end.

[TRENT]

We will see how that goes. I know a number of people who are taking Spanish classes to achieve that end.

Wow you have to learn the language to gain citizenship...imagine the shit show if we did that here..

[IronEagle]

Wow you have to learn the language to gain citizenship...imagine the shit show if we did that here..

I think it's a pretty minor requirement however. You just need to know the basics... You don't need to be fluent. Alphabet, numbers, basic nouns and verbs, etc.

It's probably like the citizenship test for the US... although I don't believe the US citizenship test has a language requirement.

I think most immigrants in the US know things on this level.

[art vandelay]

is still dead.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/24/77302...-legal-battles

Lol I’ll have to ask my girlfriend’s grandmother about this. She used to have pictures of Franco in her house.

[IronEagle]

Lol I’ll have to ask my girlfriend’s grandmother about this. She used to have pictures of Franco in her house.

I"m asking my Spaniard friends about this. I think I know what they will say.

As an aside I collected stamps when I was a kid. Pretty much every stamp from Spain had Franco's portrait on it.

[slag]

All jokes aside, Spain has had a pretty brutal history. The country is culturally rich but it has been fought over for centuries. Moors, Christians, Jews. I imagine that is what it makes it culturally rich. The mix of the different influences.

The original Spanish governments after the Moors were defeated attempted and for the most part succeeded to expel Muslims and Jews. We are talking multiple hundreds of years ago.

Thing is, you go to a city like Cordoba or Toledo and you see the beauty of what these different cultures created.

Franco would never have allowed Jews or Muslims back into Spain.

The current government has a program where a descendant of Jewish people that were expelled from Spain can apply for citizenship. You need to take a basic history and language test to gain citizenship.

We will see how that goes. I know a number of people who are taking Spanish classes to achieve that end.

Its not Moors ... its Moops.

[IronEagle]

Its not Moors ... its Moops.

Bawahahahaha!

Classic episode.

[Maniac]

Hey Mark. I'm going to guess you've read For Whom The Bell Tolls. If not, do so immediately.

But then check this one out. Tremendous read about American volunteers fighting with the Communists against Franco and the fascists in the Spanish Civil War.

https://www.amazon.com/Spain-Our-Hea.../dp/0544947231

The Spanish Civil War was tragic and doesn't get discussed enough. Very much the prelude to WWII.

I feel that it is somewhat appropriate for Franco to remain in the Valley of the Fallen - that it is a reminder of those he killed rather than a tribute. But I have to defer to the Spaniards judgement.

[TRENT]

I think it's a pretty minor requirement however. You just need to know the basics... You don't need to be fluent. Alphabet, numbers, basic nouns and verbs, etc.

It's probably like the citizenship test for the US... although I don't believe the US citizenship test has a language requirement.

I think most immigrants in the US know things on this level.

My Grand parents did their Best, but spoke a pretty broken English..My "Nonue" enlisted in the Army in the teens and fought in ww1 so his english was Damm good...the other 3 not so much...I just know a lot of the Right wingers thinks every person coming to this country should learn English,,,it's a tough language to learn...Spanish is much easier, especially if you already have the background in the romantic languages...when I hear People yelling at folks to speak the language; just makes me think they are screaming at My Grandmother....doesn't sit well with me.

[The Duck]

Let me tell you about the time the Moors invaded Italy...

[McCarthy12]

Hey Mark. I'm going to guess you've read For Whom The Bell Tolls. If not, do so immediately.

I love that book.

[DEERSPINE GUY]

My Grand parents did their Best, but spoke a pretty broken English..My "Nonue" enlisted in the Army in the teens and fought in ww1 so his english was Damm good...the other 3 not so much...I just know a lot of the Right wingers thinks every person coming to this country should learn English,,,it's a tough language to learn...Spanish is much easier, especially if you already have the background in the romantic languages...when I hear People yelling at folks to speak the language; just makes me think they are screaming at My Grandmother....doesn't sit well with me.

I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SPEAK CHINESE, OR JAPANESE OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN LANGUAGE, THEN GET MAD AT ME BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE LATE 1600'S, AND SOME EARLIER THEN THAT. NO I DON'T UNDERSTAND CHINESE, JAPANESE OR ANY OTHER. SORRY FOLKS.

[TRENT]

I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SPEAK CHINESE, OR JAPANESE OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN LANGUAGE, THEN GET MAD AT ME BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE LATE 1600'S, AND SOME EARLIER THEN THAT. NO I DON'T UNDERSTAND CHINESE, JAPANESE OR ANY OTHER. SORRY FOLKS.

EARLIER THAN 1600, Thats flat out amazing!

[Maniac]

I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SPEAK CHINESE, OR JAPANESE OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN LANGUAGE, THEN GET MAD AT ME BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE LATE 1600'S, AND SOME EARLIER THEN THAT. NO I DON'T UNDERSTAND CHINESE, JAPANESE OR ANY OTHER. SORRY FOLKS.

1600's? I figured they came over the Bering Land Bridge.