Great Wentz Article

[Maniac]

The view from 30,000 feet.

This is not Wentz’s Eagles obituary. It can’t be. Getting rid of him is unlikely, so the Eagles have to find a way for him to be productive. It’s easy to say there’s no coming back from this—quarterbacks of Wentz’s stature are rarely, if ever, benched in what should be their prime, but that’s simply not the case. There is coming back from this because it benefits everyone that Wentz isn’t a sunk cost. Wentz’s Eagles career will go on, for better or worse.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/1...erback-problem

[RSE]

Terry Bradshaw was benched in 1974, his fifth year in the league. He came back pretty well from that.

[Snakebitten]

I love how they make it like Rodgers got pissed about the Packers drafting Love and decided to 'set the NFC on fire' and Wentz just got the 'yips' because they drafted Hurts. How about the Eagles drafting Jordan Matthews instead of Davante Adams or Donnel Pumphrey instead of Aaron Jones or Jamaal Williams. How about writing an article about how the CGM built a team that literally made a top QB get relegated to the bench. I see they referred to Eliot Shorr-Parks in this article which explains everything.

[Snakebitten]

Now read this article. Less Eliot Shorr-Parks and more facts.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelph...erback-records

Last year, Wentz became the first quarterback in NFL history to throw 20 or more touchdowns and seven or fewer interceptions in three straight seasons. Only Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson have done it twice.

Wentz’s 607 pass attempts that year was the fourth-most ever by a quarterback throwing seven or fewer interceptions. Only Brady (624 in 2015), Rodgers (610 in 2016) and Matt Ryan (608 in 2018) had more.

Wentz had thrown 35 interceptions in his career, or one every 58.7 pass attempts. That’s the second-best INT ratio in NFL history, behind only Rodgers (72.2). That’s with the NFL’s minimum requirement of 1,500 attempts.

Wentz is the third QB in NFL history to throw a TD in all 16 games in a season and finish with seven or fewer interceptions. Brady in 2010 and Ryan in 2016 also did it. Wentz was the only QB to throw a TD pass in all 16 games this year.

Wentz had a streak of 19 consecutive regular-season games with a touchdown pass coming into this season, second-longest in Eagles history behind his own 22-game streak set over 2016 through 2018 and the longest current streak in the NFL.

Wentz had an NFL-high 11 games last year with at least one touchdown and no interceptions. The only other QB who did that was Russell Wilson. Over the last three years, only Wilson (28) and Rodgers (25) have more such games than Wentz (23).

Wentz has had 23 games in his career with 30 or more attempts and no interceptions, most ever by a quarterback in his first four seasons. Derek Carr has also had 23.

Wentz’s 97 touchdown passes are ninth-most in NFL history by a QB in his first four seasons. Of the 28 quarterbacks with at least 80 TD passes in their first four seasons, Wentz has the best interception ratio. The only QBs in history to average a TD at least every 20 attempts and an INT less than every 50 attempts are Rodgers, Wentz and Dak Prescott.

The only QBs to throw for 4,000 yards with 25 or more TDs and single-digit INTs last year were Wentz, Mahomes, Wilson and Rodgers. Wentz is only the 13th QB in NFL history to have at least one season with 4,000 yards, 25 TDs and single-digit INTs.

[Snakebitten]

Terry Bradshaw was benched in 1974, his fifth year in the league. He came back pretty well from that.

When I think of surrounding an average QB with a team that made him look a lot better than he really was, Bradshaw is the first person who comes to mind. Can you imagine throwing as many TD passes as interceptions in your career? Yikes.

[RSE]

That’s an interesting take.

Well I guess there are two ways that one could look at the Bradshaw benching.

One is that a guy who had never really won over his teams fans or really convinced and lost his job to a popular and exciting teammate dug down, won his job back, and succeeded.

The other is he was never very good anyway.

Only one way fits your point of view.

[Maniac]

Now read this article. Less Eliot Shorr-Parks and more facts.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelph...erback-records

Reuben Frank, king of apples and oranges statistic malpractice. He loves his stats service.

I do downgrade The Ringer writer for referencing ESP and also Jay Glazer but find it generally interesting to see an in-depth article from outside of Philly.

[Susquehanna Birder]

Honestly, I don't see the benching as a punitive measure as much as banking on next season. With all of the broken pieces in this organization, leaving Wentz in there to risk injury for a lost cause is nonsensical. These last few games mean nothing other than draft position, and they can provide Hurts some valuable reps. Concentrate on fixing the other positions (coaching included) and have Wentz at full health for the start of the 2021 season. The guy is the franchise, and while it sucks to sit his ass down, doing so could reap positive benefits in the longer term.

[slag]

Honestly, I don't see the benching as a punitive measure as much as banking on next season. With all of the broken pieces in this organization, leaving Wentz in there to risk injury for a lost cause is nonsensical. These last few games mean nothing other than draft position, and they can provide Hurts some valuable reps. Concentrate on fixing the other positions (coaching included) and have Wentz at full health for the start of the 2021 season. The guy is the franchise, and while it sucks to sit his ass down, doing so could reap positive benefits in the longer term.

Then they should make it clear that this is what they are doing ... in public ... and it's pretty clear that two of the top players/leaders on the team think so and decided to say something.

[Snakebitten]

It's hard to argue with stats. Now keep in mind, he played through injuries over the last few years. If I recall correctly, they had to rush him back because Foles wasn't cutting it in 2018. These injuries are the reason I think the CGM drafted Hurts. I think it had nothing to do with his performance.

I agree with what Rodgers mentioned about Wentz's surroundings (@ the 2:30 mark). He didn't straight out say it but we know exactly what he meant.

[Maniac]

Terry Bradshaw was benched in 1974, his fifth year in the league. He came back pretty well from that.

I don't remember but sounds like Gilliam beat him out for the job in preseason. The good old days when QBs called the plays. Except for the Cowboys.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/r...arting-qb-job/

[Snakebitten]

Then they should make it clear that this is what they are doing ... in public ... and it's pretty clear that two of the top players/leaders on the team think so and decided to say something.

They won't say what we already know. They failed Wentz in another offseason and they got really exposed once the offensive line went south. Now that his pocket is now consistently collapsing, he has to hope a bunch of practice squad players can get quick separation and that his coach, that has admitted running an offense is not his strong suit, will generate a strong game plan to protect his franchise QB. Apparently, it's going to take a change at QB for them to use Sanders.

[Maniac]

Then they should make it clear that this is what they are doing ... in public ... and it's pretty clear that two of the top players/leaders on the team think so and decided to say something.

They're aren't pulling a healthy Wentz with four games left because of injury risk. If that was a thing, they'd be sitting every player of future value on the team. Have a seat Miles Sanders and Jalen Reagor.

Justin Herbert is still playing.

[Maniac]

It's hard to argue with stats.

Football stats are the worst. They are too many variables. There are some you can trust like wins and losses. 3rd down conversion rate is a good one. They work best on a team level.

Stuff like consecutive games with a TD pass is relatively weak.

[Snakebitten]

Prior to this season, what stats bothered you about Wentz?