Wentz: B, C or J?

[art vandelay]

As I've mentioned before, Wentz had the highest QBR in the NFL last year when he rolled out of the pocket. I'd say that pretty good. I've already posted the presser where Wentz stated he wanted to roll out more and the coach admitted he needed to do a better job. I'm not sure why people can't figure out what the real problems are. Oh well.

And he doesn't have the highest QBR when he rolls out this year. I agree that the biggest problem with this team is Howie. I do think Pederson needs to do a better job, but I think a lot of the problem this year has just been Wentz. I think the difference in success when rolling out is an example of that.

I've said repeatedly that I think Wentz is a good QB. I know you think that 2017 is what happens when you give Wentz a good roster, but I think a lot of 2017 was just Wentz being great. The RBs to start that season were ordinary. Jeffery was playing through a torn labrum. Big V was the LT for half the season. Johnson missed time, Ertz missed time. For a lot of 2018-19 the main difference from 2017 was the lack of a deep threat. That was a need for the offense but I don't think the absence of Torrey Smith should result in such a drop-off. For an example of how Wentz did without a key player out in 2017, look at the Rams game. Ertz is out, and he throws 3 TDs to Burton/Celek.

[Snakebitten]

Why didn't you quote my first sentence? Hmmm. Better yet, explain to me why Wentz no longer wants to roll out.

[slag]

Carson says a lot of stuff that his play on the field hasn't reflected. Doug will always say he needs to do better job. That's standard coachspeak.

This conspiracy theory that Pederson is undermining Wentz with his game planning and playcalling isn't credible. Anybody can see Carson has become too frenetic to execute playscproperly. Hurts never looked panicked yesterday. Wentz constantly has this season.

Who the fuck is suggesting that Pederson is sabotaging Wentz with intentional shit play calling?

Now, could it be that they have been coaching Wentz not to break the pocket and run because of his injuries ... horse of a different color in the same corral?

[Snakebitten]

And he doesn't have the highest QBR when he rolls out this year. I agree that the biggest problem with this team is Howie. I do think Pederson needs to do a better job, but I think a lot of the problem this year has just been Wentz. I think the difference in success when rolling out is an example of that.

I've said repeatedly that I think Wentz is a good QB. I know you think that 2017 is what happens when you give Wentz a good roster, but I think a lot of 2017 was just Wentz being great. The RBs to start that season were ordinary. Jeffery was playing through a torn labrum. Big V was the LT for half the season. Johnson missed time, Ertz missed time. For a lot of 2018-19 the main difference from 2017 was the lack of a deep threat. That was a need for the offense but I don't think the absence of Torrey Smith should result in such a drop-off. For an example of how Wentz did without a key player out in 2017, look at the Rams game. Ertz is out, and he throws 3 TDs to Burton/Celek.

The last game he played he rolled out once. What do you think changed? I think I know.

Since 2017, his supporting cast has gotten significantly worse. We've all watched him carry the offense last year with a serviceable offensive line. Once that went, he was set up to fail. Hurts played against a quarterback that is basically him in three weeks. Once the tape is out there, he will get exposed also. I've had these conversations in the past on here with the Kolbs and the Vicks, I'll just put it out there now. This is a mirage.

[Mr. Triple Dip]

I've had these conversations in the past on here with the Kolbs and the Vicks, I'll just put it out there now. This is a mirage.

You sure have, which is why I am baffled you don't lump Wentz into that same group. Howie is the problem - who picked Wentz again?

[Dim Bulb]

Well, Randall was a head case but he wasn't a bust, chump or a jagoff. He was like his own category. Let me be me. I see Carson more as a Randall level headcase who turned into a chump due to the underlying root cause.

[art vandelay]

The last game he played he rolled out once. What do you think changed? I think I know.

Since 2017, his supporting cast has gotten significantly worse. We've all watched him carry the offense last year with a serviceable offensive line. Once that went, he was set up to fail. Hurts played against a quarterback that is basically him in three weeks. Once the tape is out there, he will get exposed also. I've had these conversations in the past on here with the Kolbs and the Vicks, I'll just put it out there now. This is a mirage.

I remember on that rollout he threw a complete duck. A decent ball there would have gone for a lot more than 40 yards.

I know the supporting cast is a lot worse now than it was in 2017. But I don't think it got *that* much worse until the end of last year, when Wentz interestingly enough played his best football without Lane Johnson and with total no-name receivers. That makes me think that some of the struggles 2018-19 were on Wentz. I also think some of this year is on Wentz despite the bad situation he's been in.

I know teams are going to start to game plan for Hurts. Even considering that yesterday was smoke and mirrors I was surprised by how well Hurts played. I'm not saying he's the long term QB or that I want Wentz gone. If Hurts continues to play well I do think it would be a legitimate question to ask if Hurts on a rookie deal would better enable the team to win than Wentz on his current deal. Obviously they wouldn't be saving any money by moving on from Wentz until 2022.

[Snakebitten]

You sure have, which is why I am baffled you don't lump Wentz into that same group. Howie is the problem - who picked Wentz again?

I also mentioned on here several times that Howie tends to have more success when he's drafting the Top 10. If anyone doesn't think the CGM is the sole reason for this debacle (I'm not saying you), we will just agree to disagree. I can't fix that.

[Maniac]

Who the fuck is suggesting that Pederson is sabotaging Wentz with intentional shit play calling?

Call it whatever you want, every Wentz apologist is blaming play calling. What motivation would Doug have to do that? You've seen Wentz this season. He lacks all poise and presence. He's a Chinese fire drill after every snap. It's not the play calling. Its the player.

Look how careful Doug was after the game to protect Wentz ego.. He seemed almost apologetic about winning.

[Maniac]

Why didn't you quote my first sentence? Hmmm. Better yet, explain to me why Wentz no longer wants to roll out.

Because I'm not talking about last year. It would take a psychiatrist to explain Wentz current state of mind.

[DEERSPINE GUY]

Call it whatever you want, every Wentz apologist is blaming play calling. What motivation would Doug have to do that? You've seen Wentz this season. He lacks all poise and presence. He's a Chinese fire drill after every snap. It's not the play calling. Its the player.

Look how careful Doug was after the game to protect Wentz ego.. He seemed almost apologetic about winning.

I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST ONE THING. I THINK ALL HAVE A HAND IN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS OFFENSE.

[art vandelay]

Call it whatever you want, every Wentz apologist is blaming play calling. What motivation would Doug have to do that? You've seen Wentz this season. He lacks all poise and presence. He's a Chinese fire drill after every snap. It's not the play calling. Its the player.

Look how careful Doug was after the game to protect Wentz ego.. He seemed almost apologetic about winning.

I don't think anyone thinks Pederson is purposefully calling bad plays. I think they think Pederson is just calling a bad game, not playing to his player's strengths, not running the ball enough. He could also be enamored with Wentz's talent and asking too much of him, while making life easier for backup QBs. I'm not sure if I buy it, but that's the argument.

[RSE]

I accept that with all the problems with personnel, play calling, pass protection, I could understand that Wentz could have an off year or a down year in his fifth season in the league. Call it what you want. Even a very off or down year.

But Wentz is not having a very off year or a very down year. He’s having a no good very bad year. Historically bad. And the difference between an off/down year and a historically bad year wears number 7 in green.

[3rd & Inches]

No sacks yesterday....the chains kept moving. The Saints defense in the second quarter was tapping out.

[Raptor]

I believe he could have been jag off but after signing his $128 million contract and not really producing I’m leaning to Bust.

Need more to show the $$$ was worth it.