Gabe Kapler

[06hawkalum]

Turns out he wasn't the problem and is actually a good manager.

Who knew?

[art vandelay]

Your point? The Phillies are currently doing the exact same thing they did under Kapler. Newsflash, a manager doesn't make a difference if the team isn't good.

Any manager can also win with a stacked team. See...Joe Girardi.

[1960]

Has any city had a bad a drafting history as Philadelphia. All four teams have whiffed on early picks for the past decade plus.

[art vandelay]

Has any city had a bad a drafting history as Philadelphia. All four teams have whiffed on early picks for the past decade plus.

Literally every city with teams in all four major sports has done the same thing.

[1960]

Literally every city with teams in all four major sports has done the same thing.

Any examples? I asking a serious question because the volume of misses seems unique.

[Cheesesteak]

Has any city had a bad a drafting history as Philadelphia. All four teams have whiffed on early picks for the past decade plus.

call Twatkins to put out the fire

[RSE]

Your point? The Phillies are currently doing the exact same thing they did under Kapler. Newsflash, a manager doesn't make a difference if the team isn't good.

Any manager can also win with a stacked team. See...Joe Girardi.

What do Terry Francona, Dick Vermeil, Andy Reid, Larry Brown and Mike Keenan have in common?

[art vandelay]

Any examples? I asking a serious question because the volume of misses seems unique.

Sure. I'm limiting this to the NFL and NBA because the MLB draft seems to work differently, and I don't follow the NHL draft.

New York - Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple, Daniel Jones, DeAndre Baker, Kevin Knox, Frankie Ntilikina, Obi Toppin
Washington - RGIII, Josh Doctson, Dwayne Haskins, Jan Veseley, maybe Avdija
Chicago - Gabe Carimi, Shea McClellin, Kevin White, Mitch Trubisky, bad drafting outside of the first round
Cleveland - Anthony Bennett, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Danny Shelton, Corey Coleman, Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel, Barkevious Mingo
Phoenix - Robert Nkemdiche, Jonathan Cooper, Josh Rosen, Dragan Bender, Josh Jackson
Boston - Patriots have been drafting poorly for a long time. Celtics haven't really been in a position to blow picks.

It even seems silly to include the NBA in this considering how long teams can go without picking early. When you consider the hit rate in the NFL draft, and how long a decade-plus is, of course teams are going to have a lot of misses.

[1960]

Maybe it’s a combination of the volume of high picks and the misses that make it seem worse. And the fact it’s across all four sports.

[art vandelay]

Listen, I know our teams suck, but they don't even pick high that often. The Eagles have picked in the top 10 3 times since 2000.

Believe it or not, draft picks like Wentz and Simmons aren't misses.