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  • Greenstealth
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    Originally posted by Ground_Meat View Post
    Iíll say the same...Except Foles to Jax
    Bingo

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  • Drama Queen
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    Like all players, I think Folesís draft value is based

    Originally posted by Greenstealth View Post
    Obviously I don't think Foles being tagged is worth more than what the eagles would get as a comp pick (Assumed to be a high third), our differing opinions there would lead me to think you are overvaluing Foles regarding draft capital. Now I could see a scenario where maybe a team like Jacksonville throws a player in (who perhaps doesn't fit their scheme or culture) with a lesser draft pick (like a 6th) to grease the wheels so to speak on obtaining Foles. What has sudfeld done in this league to warrant anyone offering a 2nd? He's cheap so that's nice but why is anyone giving up that kind of draft capital for a guy who has been in the league 3 years and hasn't played a full game?


    Edited to add: I haven't looked at the qbs in the draft. I know haskins was being mocked highly and I didn't care for him so... I don't know and I'm not gonna just throw shit at the wall I. E. Predicting a trade to happen in the following days after the eagles picked Nick's option up.
    on many variable that can change over time. Under the current circumstance regarding Foles contract expiration, the Eagles limited leverage, etc, I agree that he will not command much more than a 3rd round value. Hopefully multiple teams show enough interest to change that. If the Eagles had him locked up with a favoritable contract, I could see Foles commanding a higher end 2nd or something. If the Eagles get anything better than a 3rd than that will show there was a market for him. I could see a swap of second round picks with Jacksonville. On the surface people wonít be happy but thatís good value. A player trade could make a lot of sense too.

    Sudfeld hits a lot of checkmarks for me. He comes from a HS area big on football, His brother played for the Jets so there is some pedigree, he was successful in college, all though itís a limited sample he performed very well in preseason games. Last year, he played Dallas in the last game with all back ups and Dallas played most of their starters and he played very well.... something like 19 of 23 and set an NFL record for completion percentage forr a first time starter. He was a member of the best QB room in the NFL the past two years with Wentz playing at a MVP level before injury and Foles as a SB MVP. We all know about the coaching staff as well.

    Most importantly, he passes the eyeball test, with the exception of maybe forcing the ball a few times, but that can be worked out. IMO, he is ready to be a valuable, high end backup QB with reason to believe in his potential. IMO, thatís certainly worth a 2nd pick at the small price tag of 4.5m.

    Maybe you need to see more from him to make a statement like this. For me, I pushed a lot more chips in on Sudfeld after that Dallas performance.

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  • Greenstealth
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    Obviously I don't think Foles being tagged is worth more than what the eagles would get as a comp pick (Assumed to be a high third), our differing opinions there would lead me to think you are overvaluing Foles regarding draft capital. Now I could see a scenario where maybe a team like Jacksonville throws a player in (who perhaps doesn't fit their scheme or culture) with a lesser draft pick (like a 6th) to grease the wheels so to speak on obtaining Foles. What has sudfeld done in this league to warrant anyone offering a 2nd? He's cheap so that's nice but why is anyone giving up that kind of draft capital for a guy who has been in the league 3 years and hasn't played a full game?


    Edited to add: I haven't looked at the qbs in the draft. I know haskins was being mocked highly and I didn't care for him so... I don't know and I'm not gonna just throw shit at the wall I. E. Predicting a trade to happen in the following days after the eagles picked Nick's option up.
    Last edited by Greenstealth; 02-22-2019, 09:28 AM.

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  • Drama Queen
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    Eagles players in general?

    Originally posted by Greenstealth View Post
    I wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Sudfeld if that's what you mean. Id pay him the second round tender to be a back up .There's a big difference. I think you are overvaluing the Eagles players in general, specifically in terms of other teams giving up draft capital.
    I have only talking about two players, and made a prediction at your request regarding Foles and Sudfeld.

    Why do you think I overvalued Foles regarding draft capital?

    Regarding Sudfeld, you can state I overvalued him if you like because I think a team may get a wild hair and take him if he is tendered a second. Fair enough, but tell me which QBís in the draft that are projected to be second round pick or later would you consider over Sudfeld.

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  • Greenstealth
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    I wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Sudfeld if that's what you mean. Id pay him the second round tender to be a back up .There's a big difference. I think you are overvaluing the Eagles players in general, specifically in terms of other teams giving up draft capital.

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  • Drama Queen
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    Thatís certainly one reason why I feel the Eagles will be ultra conservative.

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  • Drama Queen
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    They also wanted to sign him to the practice squad

    Originally posted by Greenstealth View Post
    Washington drafted him with a 6th rd pick in 16. Waived him before 17 started and you think they might give up a second for him?
    but he choose to sign with the Eagles over the Foreskins.

    So yes, the Foreskins would have to admit to their mistake and overlook the personal slight that he went to the Eagles.

    The Foreskins had Kurt Cousins and Colt McCoy at the time. The Eagles also carried two QBs on the active roster and they placed Sudfeld on the practice squad. During the year, the Eagles moved Sudfeld up on the roster to avoid being poached by the Colts.

    If the Foreskins are big boys and are willing to assess Sudfeld and his worth today, while also assessing the poor state of their QB today, then yeah they should be interested. Any team with a sorry ass QB room should be interested in Sudfeld. While seemingly skeptical of Sudfeld a few weeks ago when I mentioned a 2nd and 1st tender on Sudfeld, you seem to now think a 2nd round tender is reasonable.

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  • Greenstealth
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    Originally posted by Drama Queen View Post
    Foles traded to Jax.
    Wentz extended mid-late season.
    Sudfeld stays on a 1st round tender.

    (Sudfeld is the hardest one to call but I think the Eagles get ultra conservative and spend an extra 1.5m to ensure he stays. Again, I think one of these teams: Miami, Jax, Giants and Washington could get a wild hair and make a run at Sudfeld for a 2nd pick. All of us probably agree that we would take the 2nd and be happy, but I think the Eagles value the the depth at QB more than any team.)
    Washington drafted him with a 6th rd pick in 16. Waived him before 17 started and you think they might give up a second for him?

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  • Wolfpack
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    Originally posted by Drama Queen View Post
    Foles traded to Jax.
    Wentz extended mid-late season.
    Sudfeld stays on a 1st round tender.

    (Sudfeld is the hardest one to call but I think the Eagles get ultra conservative and spend an extra 1.5m to ensure he stays. Again, I think one of these teams: Miami, Jax, Giants and Washington could get a wild hair and make a run at Sudfeld for a 2nd pick. All of us probably agree that we would take the 2nd and be happy, but I think the Eagles value the the depth at QB more than any team.)
    With Wentz's style of play and record of injury, I favor having a strong back up as well. Of course last year's back issue could have been the result of trying to come back too quickly.

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  • Drama Queen
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    Foles traded to Jax.
    Wentz extended mid-late season.
    Sudfeld stays on a 1st round tender.

    (Sudfeld is the hardest one to call but I think the Eagles get ultra conservative and spend an extra 1.5m to ensure he stays. Again, I think one of these teams: Miami, Jax, Giants and Washington could get a wild hair and make a run at Sudfeld for a 2nd pick. All of us probably agree that we would take the 2nd and be happy, but I think the Eagles value the the depth at QB more than any team.)

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  • Ground_Meat
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    Originally posted by Greenstealth View Post
    How about post your qb predictions...

    I'll say Foles walks in free agency to the Dolphins. The eagles extend wentz. Sudfeld gets a 2nd round tender and returns.
    Iíll say the same...Except Foles to Jax

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  • Greenstealth
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    How about post your qb predictions...

    I'll say Foles walks in free agency to the Dolphins. The eagles extend wentz. Sudfeld gets a 2nd round tender and returns.

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  • Drama Queen
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    wishful thinking of a Foles vs. Wentz fan.

    What do you think theyíll do with Suds?

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  • nerd
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    Originally posted by Drama Queen View Post
    You heard correctly and I believe you are correct with your thought process.
    Another part of this is that we all believe Howie is a good GM. I'm not sure if the Jags GM is the same guy that signed Bortles to that deal and believed in him, but to me, that is not a good GM.

    Good GMs will look to (and do) take advantage of bad GM's. Maybe they don't get anything for Foles and he does just walk, but I have to believe that Roseman is definitely working the Giants, Redskins, Dolphins and Jags for the best trade option.

    I'm interested to see how it plays out.

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  • Eagle Road
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    Unless of course somebody threw an offer at them for Wentz, the iggs are supposedly very high on Sudfeld, and an older Foles and a younger Sud make a better "fit" than two young guys, Wentz and Sud? No idea, just thowing it out there.

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