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  • #16
    Originally posted by Susquehanna Birder View Post
    I read that the National Park Service has asked Gettysburg gift shops to remove the Confederate flag from the stores. That's ridiculous to me. This is once place where the symbol has some historical context, and pretending it never existed is just revisionist bullshit.
    That's not entirely true. They requested that items that feature the flag as a stand-alone feature be removed.



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    On June 24, the National Park Service Director Jonathan B. Jarvis asked park superintendents to work with their partners and bookstore operators to voluntarily withdraw from sale items that solely depict a Confederate flag.

    "We strive to tell the complete story of America," National Park Service Director Jonathan B. Jarvis said of the agency's reputation for telling difficult parts of our history. "All sales items in parks are evaluated based on educational value and their connection to the park. Any stand-alone depictions of Confederate flags have no place in park stores."
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    I can see validity in both sides of this because it is a historical artifact as a historic site. To extrapolate out to Godwin's law though, would a WW2 memorial sell miniature stand-alone depictions of the Nazi party or because they were a combatant?

    What I think is pretty ridiculous is Apple removing any games from their app store that have a confederate flag i.e. games specifically about the civil war and its battles. That's historical context and different than the stand-alone symbol.
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    • #17
      I still think it is ridiculous. Even on stand alone items. I don't like the Confederacy - Nazi comparison. I understand it, but I think the Confederacy is a little more complicated than Nazism.

      Edit - And really, I'm not sure that a WWII Memorial selling Nazi items would be all that offensive in context. Surely they sell books/dvd's on the Nazis. It's not glorifying it, but it happened.
      Last edited by McCarthy12; 06-25-2015, 04:39 PM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by McCarthy12 View Post
        I still think it is ridiculous. Even on stand alone items. I don't like the Confederacy - Nazi comparison. I understand it, but I think the Confederacy is a little more complicated than Nazism.

        Edit - And really, I'm not sure that a WWII Memorial selling Nazi items would be all that offensive in context. Surely they sell books/dvd's on the Nazis. It's not glorifying it, but it happened.
        I'm not talking about (and I don't think the NPS is either) books/dvds/historical documents. The Holocaust Museum in DC has numerous symbols of the Nazi party because it's a historical site and Civil War museums should have Confederate symbols because they're relevant within historical context.

        The NPS request was that items that depict solely a Confederate flag items to be removed. To me that suggests miniature flags, stickers, mugs, etc. Things that only depict the flag and have no other context.

        Perhaps the NPS meant books/dvds/etc. that solely depict a Confederate flag on the cover as well but that is doubtful in my opinion until clarified to be the case.
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        • #19
          I think, in Gettysburg, or any other Civil War site, items that have nothing but the Confederate flag on them are contextually appropriate. I actually think it would be ridiculous to remove them. Just my opinion though.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by JuTMSY4 View Post
            york is a disgusting hole. I'm sorry.
            As compared to?

            Some cool places there, some places I wouldn't go near. Could say the same about Lancaster, Lebanon, Reading, Harrisburg, etc.
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            • #21
              But the northern Virginia battle flag is one of many battle flags for the confederate army. Selling it as "the" condererate flag is misleading, inaccurate and misguided.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by McCarthy12 View Post
                For sure. I love York. I've always thought it had a southern feel. SB is right about Adams County. My in-laws have a cabin out there. The neighbor used to fly a Confederate flag. Of course you have Gettysburg right there so that plays into it some. I would hate to see Gettysburg have to change anything.
                My girlfriend's dad has a house near the battlefield. Kelly Green would be in heaven.

                Think they made a mistake keeping the casino out. Its not like they're pristine. They have a Walmart.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Susquehanna Birder View Post
                  York is bad.
                  The worst of York County is only a few miles down the road from us. Klan Kountry. The Hills Have Eyes.
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                  • #24
                    That's awesome. The cabin is about 15 minutes away. I love it. Don't get the York hate. I got married there. In-laws live there. Sure there are crappy areas. I don't know. I live in Lancaster now. Couldn't be happier.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by McCarthy12 View Post
                      Don't get the York hate. I got married there. In-laws live there. Sure there are crappy areas. I don't know. I live in Lancaster now. Couldn't be happier.
                      I can understand it but it's true for most old towns in Pennsyltucky. I could take a visitor for a day tour of York or Lancaster and make them think it was the greatest place ever. Or a godforsaken hell hole. You gotta know the area.

                      What part of Lancaster do you live in? Do you work down here now or are you commuting?
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Drama Queen View Post
                        But the northern Virginia battle flag is one of many battle flags for the confederate army. Selling it as "the" condererate flag is misleading, inaccurate and misguided.
                        That's not even the common "Confederate" flag. It's the battle flag from Tennessee which is rectangular.
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                        • #27
                          Live and work in Manheim Twp. I'm in York a lot too. You're right though. I guess it depends what you're looking for.
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                          • #28
                            shit dude

                            Originally posted by McCarthy12 View Post
                            Live and work in Manheim Twp. I'm in York a lot too. You're right though. I guess it depends what you're looking for.
                            that's my home town - graduated from there.

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                            • #29
                              The area over by the Strand is pretty cool, and there are some trendy eating places popping up. Hopefully it continues to improve, and the murder rate goes down.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by McCarthy12 View Post
                                Live and work in Manheim Twp. I'm in York a lot too. You're right though. I guess it depends what you're looking for.
                                I'm not that familiar with Manheim except that it's German. But I have a friend in Mt Joy and hang out there most Sundays. Have to hook up for an Eagle game sometime! Might be some other board members in the area.
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