Wentz: B, C or J?

[IronEagle]

I’m going with Jagoff

[RSE]

Two for Jagoff

[3rd & Inches]

Is a head case a chump or jagoff?

[IronEagle]

Is a head case a chump or jagoff?

I think it depends on the cause of being a head case.

I give Wentz the Jagoff designation because to me he does not seem to take to coaching. Also I think he has tried to dictate the style of the offense to fit his preferences to the detriment of his supporting cast.

[RSE]

A chump is simply a player who from a talent perspective has no business being on an NFL team but does not rise to the level of a bill of goods.

Matt McCoy and Billy McShovelhands were classic C’s. Even Reggie Brown was a C. That’s where I put JJAW. Not a bad dude, just not a football player.

A C often arrives in Philadelphia when Howie and before him the Haberdasher thinking they are smarter than everyone else.

[RSE]

Can’t call Wentz a C because he is NFL quality. Can’t call him a B because he’s had too much success. He’s a J by default, but he is definitely showing J tendencies.

[art vandelay]

I've noticed a lot of people say that Pederson needs to move Wentz outside of the pocket. I just saw this stat:

Pocket passing this season: Wentz: 59.5%, 6.1 YPA, 13 turnovers

Overall, he's 57.4%, 6.0 YPA, with 19 turnovers. This means that Wentz has a lower completion % and YPA from outside the pocket. I would also imagine that since Wentz more often than not stays in the pocket, his turnover rate might also be higher when he's outside of the pocket. I don't think Pederson not rolling Wentz out was holding back this offense.

[Loki]

But were the outside of the pocket attempts designed or him just running for his life? I honestly don’t remember too many times when he rolled out versus being hunted down by the opposition DL or blitzers.

[art vandelay]

But were the outside of the pocket attempts designed or him just running for his life? I honestly don’t remember too many times when he rolled out versus being hunted down by the opposition DL or blitzers.

Yeah good point, this would include those plays.

I did see this on Twitter after the Browns game - Carson Wentz outside the pocket this season: 5.2 Y/A, 56.1%, 71.8 passer rating. That was from PFF. Maybe they limit that stat to designed rollouts?

[RSE]

Hurts left the pocket many times last night but few were designed roll outs.

Moose Johnston said it (several times) last night: Wentz usually goes out the back of the pocket.

[Mr. Triple Dip]

But were the outside of the pocket attempts designed or him just running for his life? I honestly don’t remember too many times when he rolled out versus being hunted down by the opposition DL or blitzers.

In 2017 there were a lot of plays where he escaped the pocket and made a play with his legs or bought time and completed a pass(not designed). Yesterday I do not recall seeing many designed roll out plays - moreso Hurts doing that on his own, something Wentz has barely done this year and when he has we've seen him hold the ball and get sacked/fumble(Dallas game) and throw INTs instead of throwing it away multiple times.

Seeing a rookie look so much more comfortable in the pocket yesterday just confirms what my eyes have been telling me about Wentz being a deer in headlights back there this year.

[Snakebitten]

I've noticed a lot of people say that Pederson needs to move Wentz outside of the pocket. I just saw this stat:

Pocket passing this season: Wentz: 59.5%, 6.1 YPA, 13 turnovers

Overall, he's 57.4%, 6.0 YPA, with 19 turnovers. This means that Wentz has a lower completion % and YPA from outside the pocket. I would also imagine that since Wentz more often than not stays in the pocket, his turnover rate might also be higher when he's outside of the pocket. I don't think Pederson not rolling Wentz out was holding back this offense.

As I've mentioned before, Wentz had the highest QBR in the NFL last year when he rolled out of the pocket. I'd say that pretty good. I've already posted the presser where Wentz stated he wanted to roll out more and the coach admitted he needed to do a better job. I'm not sure why people can't figure out what the real problems are. Oh well.

[Maniac]

He's got the skills but difficult to coach. I guess that's closest to jagoff.

[art vandelay]

Hurts left the pocket many times last night but few were designed roll outs.

Moose Johnston said it (several times) last night: Wentz usually goes out the back of the pocket.

This too.

I've said repeatedly that I think Wentz is a good QB. Because of that, I don't see the point in continually making excuses for him. Especially when the excuse is Pederson's play calling. I know it's too early to get crazy, but Hurts could be the 2nd non-Wentz QB in 3 years to look good with Pederson calling the plays.

[Maniac]

Wentz stated he wanted to roll out more and the coach admitted he needed to do a better job.

Carson says a lot of stuff that his play on the field hasn't reflected. Doug will always say he needs to do better job. That's standard coachspeak.

This conspiracy theory that Pederson is undermining Wentz with his game planning and playcalling isn't credible. Anybody can see Carson has become too frenetic to execute playscproperly. Hurts never looked panicked yesterday. Wentz constantly has this season.